Windows 8 marked the point in my opinion. It's when they tried to start locking down the operating system and focusing heavily on the cloud. The adware began in this era as well.
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I agree on the ads and bundled services, but the "windows is slow" stuff is horseshit. A tight build of Linux boots more quickly no doubt, but a fresh Win10 or 11 install, even with bloat, is up in under 30 seconds, and runs swiftly out of the box. This isn't "slow" by any definition.
Again, let's hate the other shit, let's hate on that together.
Yeah I might have phrased that wrong. On my computer windows uses about 40% of my laptop cpu with nothing else running, but I do agree that it isn't really show
That seems very odd to me. My installs never got that bad. Not calling you a liar, just saying your out of the box experience was way shittier than mine.
Vista I think
After 95.
When did they start bundling candy crush? Xp? Or 7? That was when the enshittification started.
Not due to that app itself, and it was a slow start and it took a while, but that was when stuff started being "pushed" instead of merely "present", like, say pinball or solitaire.
Candy Crush didn't even exist until 8 was the latest Windows, so I'm gonna say Windows 8
Windows 7 was the last good one, maybe windows 10 still not that bad in my opinion.
Windows 10 was half decent as an operating system to be honest, just doesn't stack up to 7. 8/8.1 is where the enshittification began and it continued with 11.
It's the jump from Windows 8.1 to 10 imo. That was when their strategy shifted from Windows being a sold as a product in-itself towards being used as a vessel to push people towards other, more profitable Microsoft services.
In the modern age of PCs, it's just not profitable to sell an operating system as an end product anymore because consumers expect the OS to be available free of charge, like it is on Apple products and Android devices, so the only people actually paying for Windows are OEMs who pay like $5/key, which isn't enough to sustain a profitable OS without bundling a bunch of third party shitware, steering you towards paid Microsoft services like OneDrive/Office 365, and selling all your data
And they use the fact that they are the default or almost a defacto monopoly. Why advertise your product when people buy it anyway? Why make it good when a bad product makes more money? Of cause there are memes like "the best advertisement for linux is windows 10" and while it might be the best advertisement, most people stay with what they have or are even forced to use it at work (like me).
To be fair, in both your examples(macOS, Android) the cost of the OS is borne by the cost of the device, same as if you got an OEM installed windows device from a retailer. That’s not a huge point of difference
when they made it free
It used to be "skip the evens". But since they themselves skipped 9, now it's "skip the odds".
I hope you don't expect their next OS to be good, whether they call it 12 or otherwise. Skip all Windows from now on, IMO
There is literally nothing that competes with Windows in office environments or gaming. And for that reason it will continue to blow all competition out of the water.
You can game perfectly well on linux thanks to Steam. Except for VR.
A lot of businesses can get by with just a browser these days.
Windows 11 seems to be fine, despite everyone whining constantly.
The ads everyone cries about? Can be disabled with a single option.
Slowness? Haven't experienced it.
11 didn't introduce anything, for me, that I couldn't already do. Some of the desktop management features aren't that bad and the UI is fine I guess. If you don't like it, turns out it's pretty easy to replace with a different shell.
Privacy concerns are pretty legitimate, but with about as much effort as getting a Linux distro set up and working you can lock that stuff down.
As someone who recently switched it is incredibly easy to get Linux Mint set up and working, far easier than tracking down where to find all the annoying ad settings I want to disable in Windows.
No, tracking down the settings to disable isn't that difficult, but I shouldn't have to, and Linux is even easier.
It always was like that. Have you heard of Windows Vista? ME?
XP is cool though.
Any long-time windows users frustrated with how things are going really should try installing Linux Mint and just see how it goes. No need to nuke windows, just dual boot for now.
There are plenty of things that can end up keeping somebody on Windows, and admittedly I have not switched over all my machines at home yet. But for general usage, it’s such a night and day difference between the OS designed to be nice to use and the OS designed according to a complex matrix of corporate goals. And that’s using a distro that’s the opposite of stripped down and light weight.
I’m able to dual boot at work, and at this point I only fire up windows occasionally to make sure it doesn’t get out of date and isolated from the network or something. Even using outlook and doing video calls on Teams works great with the web versions in Firefox.
There are very few items worth keeping Windows for. I have window on a VM on my MacBook for one specific program for work.
On my desktop, I used to dual boot but deleted my windows install after a couple of years.
All the games I play on Steam work on Linux. There are some multi-player games that have anticheat that don't work well with Proton.
Besides that, if you're a professional and you need a software like Photoshop or Ableton or whatever, when you can't get by with the open source alternatives, then I think it's a valid reason. Although even in that case, I prefer MacOS
MacOS is a little annoying at first because it has a bunch of safety rails but with some tweaking, you can get it more or less functionally identical to Linux.
This is me, though I use Kubuntu atm, since mint wasn't playing nice with my Nvidia card a few months ago.
Most things work flawlessly except a few games and some programs. (If anyone knows a fantastic Excel replacement that doesn't suck please let me know)
According to South Park the movie, Windows 98
It's weird to not see any posts about Azure. I remember watching a keynote from Microsoft's CEO several years ago where he explicitly said the company's focus was on Azure and cloud applications, and that the role of Windows was simply to get you there. That's it. This is also inline with comments about Win7 being the last good OS because that's about when the transition started.
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