submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Lemmy.ml has fully went communist even their application needs you to copy paste a part from a communits book and that's ok by me every politkcal group has their own instance and has the right to do as they wish . But they should really change their about from foss and privacy advocated to communist leaning .

EDIT : I don't have any one political view i make my own and follow no one . Also i do think some views of communists are good and this is not my idea of throwing shade to lemmy devs just asking if there are any reasons that they still advertise it as for foss and privacy because i was going join and this stopped me.

EDIT : but it is a question though i am asking why they don't change their about ?

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[-] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago

Locking - Wrong community. Try fediverse or privacy oriented community.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

Yes, its become nasty there. My previous account was banned multiple times from .ml for making anti-russia comments like calling putin a dictator- or, heaven forbid, describing the hexbear instance as tankies! How deplorable of me, that is completely deserving of a 2 week ban while the posts calling everyone not supporting Putin fascist liberals and that Ukraine deserves to die with pig pooping butt stay up forever.

Lemmy.ml was never meant to be the main lemmy instance tbh. It existed as a testing bed for the devs that got way bigger than it ever intended to. It has survived so far on momentum but really should be excised from the general lemmy population along with hexbear, lemmygrad, and a couple others.

The sad part is, activity there is largely sanctioned by the devs themselves, as they themselves share many of these authoritarian views and are still officially admins of it. They act extremely power-trippy and its only growing exponentially worse as lemmy has become a going concern. A dev in particular even tried to get hardcoded profanity/"slur" filters added to the source code under the guise of "stopping racists" if that tells you anything how they really feel about their supposed support of freedom and open source causes. But it caused enough controversy that it got removed. Yeah, nothing is done in good faith there.

Everything makes me frequently question whether Lemmy really has a future or not. The behavior of the devs has prevented me from donating any kind of money to them- I don't donate to authoritarian crybabies, even if they write decent code. However, there just isn't any other activitypub service comparable to it, so here I stay. (No, Mastodon doesn't count. I hate Twitter style posts.)

I fully expect some lemmy.ml mod to wander in here and ban me from the instance for this comment, when it wasn't even made on their own instance. Won't be the first time and won't be the last.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

There is /kbin though, which is even compatible with the Lemmy instances so you don't even miss out on the content.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The thing is whatever lemmy devs political views are doesn't affect you like at all unless you are on .ml , .grad or hexbear . Also he can't ban you as we are on .world and you use the db0 instance.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

That is the beauty of it, at least. I'm jaded enough to always remain on edge, waiting for such polarizing devs to start fucking with the software to make it harder for independent instances to go against their beliefs, however that may happen- but until then, we do all have the freedom to move where we want to, and block their instance content.

[-] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Let me assure you that will never ever happen because of the magical words known as OPEN SOURCE . Don't sweat it too much my guy/gal just enjoy it as yiu go along and if you want to just block the instances you don't like

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

For that you'd need enough developers to maintain a fork. And seeing how /kbin struggles to keep up, the Lemmy devs would have to fuck up pretty extensively for people to really move away.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

While that is true i also meant as in there is nothing they can do to control what direction the other instances go in.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

They can ban them from either the instance (no one on .ml will see posts from that user) or from this community (no one viewing this community on .ml can see content from this user). Either way, it only affects the .ml instance since they're not mods for [email protected].

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

The Lemmy devs are communist and .ml is their home and the original instance as far as I am aware. It is its own thing, but you will also find some dev legends are on .ml, and their active communities generally have the largest participation because they have the most hardcore subscribers that are long time users from before the redd exodus last year. At the time of the exodus, all of Lemmy was something like 2k daily active users across all instances. I look at it that genius tends to have excentricity. While most people live in conflict they fail to recognize, the most gifted both identify the problem and try to find real solutions, regardless of how popular culture aligns to address its incompetence.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

even their application needs you to copy paste a part from a communits book

I think it's just a (weird) way to tell apart bots and humans

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Could've just put a privacy guide then instead of a communist guide.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

I'm not saying that lemmy.ml isn't communist. The application process and moderation cultivate communism and some pro-Russian, pro-CCP tendencies. I suppose it would be helpful if they mention this leaning in join-lemmy.org.

That said, they do have active [email protected] and [email protected] communities to their credit. There are similar communities on other servers too (like the privacyguides one) but that doesn't mean only one server can have the title of being FOSS/privacy oriented, nor is there any rule that a server can only take on one attribute label.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

ml hosting communities outside of their actual scope is actually detrimental when federated elsewhere. It gives the impression of general interest or even niche communities and users that are available to you, but which are also secretly conditional on you being a tankie.

Lemmy's design (unwisely) means instances "own" both accounts and communities, and also that an instance that just doesn't like you could cut you off from swathes of people and content. That is not even necessarily bad if it's done for honestly stated reasons, it's fine and necessary for parts of the fediverse to curate themselves and have varying rule sets. It is bad if it's done under false pretenses. Federation means things show up at an equal footing, and that leaves no room for instances to be dishonest about what they are.

ml, based on its behavior, is a highly niche server and that niche is not primarily foss or privacy.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Having a couple communities on a subject does not make your instance [subject]-oriented. That's like saying my home instance, startrek.website, is politics-oriented or Linux-oriented because those communities exist. It's not, it's mostly about Trek.

[-] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago
[-] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lol, that's crazy (and apparently true). My instance defederated from them months ago when they became Lemmygrad-lite. Looks like they doubled-down from the top since then.


Lemmy.ml has fully went communist

It was originally communist leaning, now I think it's just gone full tankie. Before that, they were at least bearable.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

yeah just copped a ban from that instance. No rule broken, unless disagreeing with a mod is against the rules. They make reddit mods look like saints

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Modlog prob looks like this:

Reason: Ambiguous Rule 1

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

thats exactly it :)

[-] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago

They just want it (along with other things) to limit how fast trolls can make accounts.

You can say it'll only take five minutes, and I bet it does.

But that's probably enough for trolls to go to a different instance to make their accounts.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Better ways are there maybe they could give us a privacy guide instead of a communist guide ?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Yeah it has certainly escalated to an extreme pro-china/russia perspective there, where I've seen them simultaneously claim that the US is entirely responsible for Isreal's genocide and deny the genocide and ethnic cleansing committed by China.

Definitely went full tankie.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

I had multiple people in their politics community advocating on behalf of Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war. Just spouting talking points that could've come straight from the Kremlin.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

Yep. That, and the brigading. It may not be organized brigading, but every 3rd comment from users there was basically someone jumping in with "capitalism bad" and tearing down any discussion/ideas for improvement that aren't complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

It was exhausting, so I finally just defederated. Was like a breath of fresh air after that.

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