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Summary

Evangelical Christians have fallen prey to the temptations offered by Donald Trump, similar to those faced by Jesus in the desert. Trump has offered evangelicals wealth, protection, and power, leading them away from the teachings of Jesus and closer to the path set forth by the devil. The evangelical church has submitted to Trump, moving further from the values of serving the poor, healing the sick, and loving neighbors.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I don't want to sick anyone too badly but it was Reagan who tricked them onto the path of evil.

(and Satan is a pretty decent cat, on balance)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

For evangelicals, you can take anything, put a Jesus sticker on it, and they'll love it.

Bad chicken sandwich, Jesus sticker. Love it! Dog poop, Jesus sticker. Love it! Trump, Jesus sticker. Love it!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Just curious, has everyone caught up yet? As in, have we realized and internalized that religious people don't believe in god or heaven or anything like that?

Because just look at at-risk individuals and think about how certain contexts can shape numerous people.

Look at trauma and how it affects the psyche.

Look at how humans living in extraordinary environments radically change their behavior.

And then notice how you can't detect any "god" or "afterlife" in a Christians psyche, or their behavior, or their flock. Just people acting similarly to everyone else, except we don't pretend to have "the answer to life is god" and "being bad means burning in hell for infinity." It's so god damn obvious but to be fair it took around 30 years for me to "grok" that Christians are operating entirely on aesthetics.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm from the Bible belt and in my experience these people absolutely believe in God and heaven, but probably very little past that. These people mostly have a "vibes based" understanding of their religion but many of them believe it to their absolute core. Most don't read the bible past the popular verses and even less actually analyze what the text is saying, but that by no means indicates a lack of belief. It's important to remember that their actions may indicate a lack of belief in the morals they espouse, but that's cognitive dissonance not secret non-belief.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And they shouldn’t bother reading anything that old and outdated, all religious texts are inadequate for addressing societal issues without regression or conservatism. Look at what’s happening to lgbt+ folk, none of this is okay, and religion is to blame

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As tempting as it is, don't lump us all together like that. There's a good contingent of is that's like "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a fucking antichrist."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh I don't think you get to paint the church in a positive light. It's been a very long time, if ever, since organized religion has been a positive force in the United States.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Say what you want about organized religion in the US, but without it we'd have never had the Salem witch trials. And then, where would we be?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Evangelicals have always loved the devil

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

None of these figures are real.

Can we please focus on reality?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not a person, it's a concept that describes the evil inside us, and of what we have to be wary of.

I'm not religious, but I understand a metaphor when I see one.

I'm pretty sure the Bible warns about those hate preachers as well.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

He didn't, they already were.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago

Evangelicals have always been garbage people, and Trump is the latest god of their bullshit.

The article supposes they were good people at one time. No they weren’t.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And, predictably, the evangelicals so easily succumbed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are dozens of us that didn’t fall for it! DOZENS!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

If you can believe one unsubstantiated claim, why not another?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I was raised southern baptist. We went Sunday mornings, nights, and Wednesday nights. I walked out of that grift the night that the preacher was confronted, in front of the congregation, for having an affair with the lead deacon's wife. It opened my eyes to all the hypocrisy, grift, and racism of organized religions. Especially the leaders of said religions! I've been saying that if these so-called "Christians" follow the orange shitbag douche so easily, then they'll trip over their tongues to follow the antichrist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Well there's a reason the S in SBC stands for Southern and racism is exactly that reason lol.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This. It breaks my heart that my family pushed me so hard to follow the teachings of Christ, and somehow this living symbol of greed, gluttony, thievery, adulterous behavior, and any other imaginable sin, has became their leader.

Thou shall not do shit unless it’s Donald Trump doing said shit.

I was warned about the promises of the Antichrist when I was a kid, and I swear to god my whole family would stand in line for a week to get the mark of the beast on their forehead if Donald Trump said it was the mark of I love religion and Jesus (tm) for only $599.99.

They’re constantly hounding me to take my kids to their church like I’d be the one to send them to hell if there was such a place. They used to preach about love. The same church goes on about “trannies” and “the gays” and how the world is going to hell now.

Now there’s a fake political ad going around where the audio is edited to have a heckler scream “Jesus is lord” and Harris says something like, “you guys are at the wrong rally”. What the heckler really said was, “you lie!”

Doesn’t matter, goddamnit. That shit should be illegal. How is it legal to edit audio for a political ad and lie outright?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I grew up in the Assemblies of God denomination. When I graduated from high school, I left home to go to college, expanded my horizons, and ultimately ended up deconstructing my religious beliefs. I have considered myself to be an atheist for more than 20 years, but I still have strong ethical beliefs that basically parallel the Christian teachings of empathy for the marginalized and the disadvantaged.

For the past 8 years, I've watched my "decent Christian" family slide further and further into Trumpism. They are unrecognizable as the people who taught me the value of Christlike behavior.

Most days, I feel like I'm a better Christian than they are. I've wondered for a long time how the same people who instilled those values in me have been led so far astray.

I recognize in hindsight that they were motivated by fear of God rather than love for their fellow humans. Fox News and Trump have preyed on that fear and gradually expanded it until it has turned to hatred of anyone who doesn't look or vote like them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
Yea.  I totally understand.  I'm in the medical field and I was telling one of my patients, wouldn't it be great if we, the people, bypassed the house and senate to pass a law to make it illegal for lying by ANY politician.  If a politician lied, they immediately forfeit their office.  If they are running for office, they are dropped out of the race.  If you aren't running but are speaking promoting a politician, then make it a very heavy fine based on income with a prison sentence for each individual lie.  If it's a media person, the fine would be based off the person's income, then fine the company based off it's year profit, and then prison for that person and the executive producer.
  And yes, I know, I know; free speech, how do you prove that a person knowing lies, yada,  yada, yada.  1)  We have free speech, but you can not yell fire in a crowded theater.  That puts the public in danger.  I would argue that politicians lying and disinformation puts the larger public in more danger.  2)  This would stop obvious lies.  No more fake figures being thrown out trying to make their lies sound like the truth.  Politicians would have to have proof before they spout their shit. 
 No more editing of video or "spinning" by so-called "news" channels.  No more deep fakes - disinformation by Americans or political groups.  No more 'FEMA spent all the money on immigrants'.  No more the economy is the worst in the world.  (Rather you believe it or not, we currently have the best in the world.)  No more illegals are voting, the election was stolen, ect.  If they say shit, they would have to have proof or they get a boot in the ass to kick them out the door.  This would go for any party, any office.  Federal, state, and local.  I truly believe that this would benefit every citizen of every party.
It sounds extreme, but it would definitely stop politicians and talking heads from spewing bullshit that harms our country.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All these things run on the idea that no other country exists, that you can effectively fine foreign nationals for lying, even those from hostile nations.

Deepfakes will never stop existing, it's hopeful but a waste of effort IMO.

In the age of information, controlling any information would be useless, false, intentionally false or anything else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I wrote that knowing about other countries trying to interfere with our elections. I was stating simply the first step that we could take. However, it's a totally moot point. Politicians are to greedy and power hungry to let anything close to that happen. I was vocally stating a wish. I put politicians five step below lawyers.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your point is too hard to read.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have no idea why my reply was is being displayed with different colors and some text barely visible. It's the first time that's happened to me.

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