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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does anyone remember K.I.T.T from Knight Rider in the 80's?

Same steering wheel! Haha

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

But K.I.T.T. actually delivered on the full self driving part.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The new Tesla Model 3 should be banned from the whole of Europe until they put the indicator stalk back. It is virtually impossible to safely and legally traverse a roundabout without it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How do people indicate without it? Is the car supposed to automatically turn it on once it senses you leaving the lane?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It has little buttons on the wheel for left or right instead of a stalk. Problem is when you're going through a roundabout you're twirling the wheel around so it is almost impossible to to know where the buttons are at any given point in time. A stalk stays put, the buttons are anywhere depending on where the wheel is at. I think this video demonstrates it most clearly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBFxbKTEWu8

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's not designed with roundabouts, (i.e. road infrastructure designed with logic and common sense) in mind.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not designed with any common sense in mind. They just figured they could a) cut costs and b) make the vehicle look "cleaner", because Musk and the people who work for him are intellectually incurious morons who refuse to learn why things are designed the way they are before trying to reinvent them.

The thing about breaking the rules is that if you want to really do it well, you have to understand why those rules exist in the first place. That's hard to do when you start from the position of just assuming that you're smarter than everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

i am not sure they even kept the cost down since they had to reintroduce the option of normal steering wheels, this just another case of Musk thinking it looks cool so it should be, but then done poorly because they don't have the engineering expertise to do it properly like lexus did it

This is just another case of Cybertruck shit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

Why the hell do billionaires keep laughing in our faces? I swear every time one of them or their companies opens their mouth, it's like they're making fun of us, the poor people.

"We care about your privacy" — (they don't) "a turn signal will soon be unnecessary" etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

Okay, but self driving hasn't happened yet and still faces significant problems. Removing a turn signal for this is like smoking constantly because you think cancer will be cured in the future.

Plus it breaks one of the unspoken rules of new designs. You never take away functionality, you only add it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

And worse is that people have been complaining about the lack of buttons and knobs for some time already.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving

That's like not including a stick for the manual transmission, because the automatic one is just around the corner.

I wish I possessed this kind of optimism in my daily life :D

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Tesla fucking up traditional driving controls only make sense if their self-driving system is working so the driver has no need to touch the steering wheel except in rare case. How good is Tesla's full self driving these days?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I didn't realize Tesla's even came with turn signals. They must be hard to find because they never get used.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I swear to god Tesla drivers are going for the worst drivers award.

Just let your fucking car drive itself if you cannot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Leak of Tesla's next-gen Steering wheel:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why is The Witcher featured on the Tesla screen?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

The center screen is basically a fully functional tablet (video streaming and all), in addition being the the only console in the car. Tesla has tried to differentiate themselves with this. I personally do see some appeal, particularly as most cars have absurdly under-powered infotainment systems that simply shouldn't exist. If one is going to include one, the menus should at least scroll smoothly and screens load quickly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

For those that don't want to read the article:

Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

Its even worse than that. The buttons are smooth surface (like a touch screen) with haptic feedback. These are truly a horrible idea:

If I had one of these Tesla cars I'd look into retrofitting the stalks back in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wtf, seriously? I've tried using media buttons on the steering wheel during a turn. It's not reliable in the slightest, because it's a moving target.

Does the non circular steering non-wheel never go past 90 degrees or something?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Tbf you are supposed use the signal before turning wheel

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

In addition to roundabouts, there are plenty of freeway exists that loop around where you can be at an extreme turn and need to initiate a lane change. Or making a right turn into a gas station after a left turn at an intersection... lots of use cases.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Covered in the article. In Norway you are required to signal when exiting a roundabout. It's a fair concern.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I once accidentally dialed 911 from my steering wheel phone buttons while pulling a turn. Surprised the shit out of me and the dispatcher didn’t sound like this was the first call of the type. This is a fucking terrible idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

Spit my drink up a bit when I read that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Replacing physical controls with touch buttons continues to be an incredibly dumb idea. Luckily several other manufactures who hopped on the trend are realizing it was a bad choice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Is nobody gonna mention this horrible KITT steering wheel?!? That damn thing is dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They also don't ship with the yoke by default anymore, the default is a regular round one and have been for a while.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ever seen what real life F1 car steering “wheels” look like?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

They aren't meant for public roads, just like Teslas.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah round wheels are not a fuckin style choice. It’s so you can grab it anywhere in any situation. This steering wheel looks fuckin deadly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It’s a yoke because top tier race cars use yokes and Elon thinks his teslas are that for some reason. Completely disregarding all the setup and engineering race cars have that make a yoke the more viable option than a wheel…

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They are the worst drivers by infractions. Dead wheel is a culling tool.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can’t even grab 10:00 and 2:00 on it. Looks like the closest you can get is 4:00 and 8:00

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

10 and 2 is actually no longer taught. 9 and 3 is the new thing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Or 8 and 4.

Keep those arms away from the airbag's path