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"REM sleep is the next AI" (lemmy.ml)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/19628702

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screenshot of this bluesky post (which you can read without logging in here) from ‪@comraderobot.bsky.social‬ ("Notorious RBMK") saying:

my friend who still lives in palo alto gave me permission to share this mailer he got.

there’s unhinged and then there’s tech unhinged

image in post has two photos of people wearing EEG electrodes, one xray of a human head, an EEG data plot over a silhouette of a head, and this text:

REM sleep is the next Al

The upcoming era of physical reality integrated with dream worlds advanced by the REMspace startup

Controlling a smart home from dreams

Transferring speech from dreams

Controlling virtual cars from dreams

Interacting with dream worlds using brain implants

Social media for sharing dream journals

Smart sleep masks powered by Al

Many other breakthroughs from our lab (videos and tech)

Don't miss the pitch of the year for potential partners and investors

Aug 29th Palo Alto

Above the image is an (inaccurate) BlueSky label saying "Possible tumblr screenshot" with a "hide" button.

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the guy behind this startup:

(CW bloody photos) "I confirm the information published in the Daily Mail. On May 17, 2023, I performed by myself trepanation, electrode implantation, and electrical stimulation of my brain's motor cortex. I needed it to test brain stimulation during lucid dreaming"

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-implants-chip-brain-control-dreams-hospital-1814256

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Oh, so they can't get autonomous driving to work, thus the next step is to get people who are sleeping to steer the cars remotely

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I saw the tagline and thought it meant that REM sleep is the next big thing people invest in because sleep is good for your health so they're selling solutions to boost your sleep quality

Boy was I wrong

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

These guys are so behind the curve. I've already interacted with Dream worlds countless times using this little-known hack called "dreaming." Look it up, you won't be disappointed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, that's "lucid dreaming". Children do that often and generally unlearn it while growing up. Grownups usually forget what they dreamt and have no influence on the dream. But ld can be trained.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

This has to be a joke

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Oh nice, I can control my smart home by dreams?

Me: *sleeps Coffee machine starts making coffee. Me: *sleeps

Can't wait!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't this happen at the end of Dream Scenario?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

scp??

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Reminds me of Hypnospace Outlaw. https://store.steampowered.com/app/844590/Hypnospace_Outlaw/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I want to upvote the warning and downvote it contents

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess people with mind blindness or blurry minds will be fucked out of luck on this tech, huh?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The last thing I want to dream about is tweaking a thermostat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

What if your feet are glued to the floor? And no matter which way you set it, it keeps getting hotter? Then you start floating while a shadowy figure sits on your chest as you're unable to move and scream a silent scream...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They know that sleep isn't wasted time, right?

Your brain uses sleep and dreams to integrate memories and learning.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Oneiromancy is the new cyberpunk

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (4 children)

This is just the game "Hypnospace Outlaw"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Glad to see I’m not the only person on earth who has played it. Such a remarkable, funny and weird game. Still trying to get that damned Seepage song out of my head.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or the original plot of The Matrix, before the studio execs decided audiences were too stupid.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, to be fair, they were.

What started as an allegory for the path of a trans person realizing they're trans and taking "the red pill" to find the reality of their world and escape "the Matrix" that forces them into a confined box in which they don't actually fit...

...turned into the dumbest bro'd out bullshit from people who think the "red pill" means you're the strongest smartest man who is has figured out society and you're a superman like Neo who can fly and shit.

Honestly, I'm on the side of executives on this one. Most people are too fucking stupid for it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

From what I’ve read, The Matrix wasn’t created as a trans allegory, it’s just that you can apply the fundamentals of its story to many concepts. One of the most popular interpretations happens to be gender identity because its creators transitioned years after the original trilogy ended.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Part of the script that got cut by Hollywood was literally Switch being a different gender inside the Matrix and outside.

That's literally why they were originally named "Switch." Switch is in the original film and dies in the original film. Not the sequels.

But sure, not a trans allegory.

The part that gets said is a "trans allegory" but isn't is the red pill as a stand-in for estrogen.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I went back and looked at the articles I had read and dug a little deeper to get to an interview with Lilly Wachowski herself:

Continuing on The Matrix**, you confirmed a couple years ago that it was a trans allegory —**

No, I didn’t.

You didn’t? Tell me more.

Yeah, so that came from an interview I did for Disclosure. They had a bunch of Matrixquestions. And the question they asked me was about Switch, who was originally written as a trans character who was male in the real world and female in the matrix. And they took that response and attached the question that everyone now references that it’s a trans allegory. And so it was slightly out of context, but I don’t sit here and put a stink up about it, because it is a trans allegory in that it was written by two closeted trans women. And so all of the things that are in it are super-duper trans. The idea of transformation, even the whole “My name is Neo, Mr. Anderson —” that idea of claiming identity, it’s undeniable.

https://www.them.us/story/lilly-wachowski-mentoring-the-matrix-interview

To be honest, her statement doesn’t seem like either a denial or confirmation to me so 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, it sounds to me like she has issue with just that specific thing being treated as a trans allegory rather than the whole thing, the film, The Matrix, itself, as trans allegory as a whole, and the idea that it was purposeful rather than happenstance.

It sounds more like "we were closeted at the time, and we unconsciously were putting in trans allegories to our own paths and ideas" which still means its trans allegory, even if it was unintentional at the time, because they still hadn't "come out" to even themselves yet.

And so all of the things that are in it are super-duper trans. The idea of transformation, even the whole “My name is Neo, Mr. Anderson —” that idea of claiming identity, it’s undeniable.

In other words, it's undeniably trans allegory, but perhaps that wasn't consciously on their mind at the time they wrote it.

Thanks for the link, I hadn't read that one. Definitely clears it up a little.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can already drive a real car in my dreams by taking Ambien

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Make the Inception device or I'm not interested.

I'm just going to go to dream Disneyland where there are no cues and time passes at a super slow rate.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Jesus, that's some real desperate idiots there.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Even if all of that worked, why would I want it?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hustle mindset. 25/8 work ethic, baby. It is actually incredibly cool and fun to be a cog in the corporate machine. Liberty! Whiskey! Sexy! They're giving out the good soma when you work in the Dream Mines, baby! Get with the program!

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Interactive dream worlds is essentially full dive vr. I guess you could just not use it, and while you're dreaming about losing your teeth, I'll be living through whatever movie I picked before going to bed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Expecting any part of the brain to work that simply is foolish. We already know that REM sleep does a lot of the lifting for forming long term memories and processing complex input from your waking hours. Not to mention the importance of it for actual rest/recharging so you aren't an exhausted zombie all the time.

Sounds like a wonderful idea to just fuck around with that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

There's a saying in my language that roughly translates to "the morning is wiser than the evening" in English. I believe in English it's common to say "sleep on it" for tough decisions.

I often wake up and come up with a solution to my toughest problems from the previous day. My REM sleep brain is already keeping me gainfully employed.

No idea why anyone would want to fuck with this. It's awesome.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You really don't have any interest in controlling virtual cars with your dreams? That alone has me signing up as an investor.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i hope you're joking but if you're not i assume you live in the bay area? if you want to go to their pitch tonight, here's its eventbrite.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Putting that in my virtual gps

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Yeah, that'll go great when the car is suddenly driving 14 miles down the driveway of the house I lived at as a child - a driveway that is walkable in less than a minute - before entering the garage which is a large house that slightly resembles a place I used to work and has a view over a clock tower that may or may not be larger when you look at it from a different angle and I think I'll nap in this bed that's here.

Now tell me: Where is the car relative to its position when that five-second-long dream sequence began, and will that pedestrian ever walk again?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I sort of already do. It's called dreaming about driving a car.

I think these folks forgot that random dreams play an important role in information processing. I'd rather not mess with that too much.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I heard that their tech will lower the virtual carbon footprint of the car you are dreaming about driving.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 4 months ago (5 children)

You don't want it.

But the people who can put ads on your dreams want it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

Does anyone else remember Microsoft's amazingly tone deaf slide deck about how integrating their systems and making thing seamless across multiple platforms including mobile phones and laptops would allow people to work during any/every spare moment in their lives, like while commuting?

Businesses want to own every moment of your life not strictly required for continued existence. If they can normalize using sleep time for extra "passive" income by using your dream power or by just renting out "spare" brain computation power, they will.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago

Man, Futurama was shockingly prescient, wasn't it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hell yeah can't wait to control my virtual car with my dreams.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can already do that in my dreams. Though I usually crash it often into something inexplicable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I make sure to only dream about Tesla's (they actually work in the dream world)

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