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I posted the following: "I am trying to make a shower gel that has a scent but is not toxic to either humans or aquatic life. And I have a hard time finding anything for the latter. Essential oils and derivatives? Nope. Synthetic ones? Nothing. I could go the unscented route, but it’s going to be hard to sell. So, considering that most of you are better informed about this topic, is there a specific ingredient that I can use for a rose fragrance that’s truly non toxic? Thanks "

On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability. The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes. What the hell is going on there? I am going to stay here for much longer since that place is turning very weird. Also, can anyone here actually help me find a fragrance ingredient that won't kill aquatic life when poured down the drain? Thank you in advance

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I had a post deleted the other day with no mod messages or anything just for saying China should put an export tax on phones to the US.

Reddits pretty ridiculous for discussing any serious topics really.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reddit is owned and operated by assholes. Don't even try to use it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I still use Apollo, so nobody gets a dime from me anyway.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're engaging with the content you are contributing to it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, there’s the whole ai thing. I don’t know, I got the (clearly wrong) idea that a dedicated sub may have dedicated specialists..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're posting from a third party reddit app, that might be the problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can they even see that I am not using the official app?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes. There are hooks that show what APIs and apps the data uses as a pathway. My guess is that the mods have nothing to do with the content being removed. It is the upload verification process. I'm not going to recommend going back but posting from a browser will verify whether this is the problem.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Reddit Answers AI farming for content

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Given the trend of recent posts in here. I'm going to guess that the word "toxic" triggered the automod.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I actually think you may be onto something.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Would a drop of Bulgarian rose oil not work?

EDIT: By this I mean the legitimate stuff made by hand in the countryside, not the chemically extracted stuff. It is extremely strong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I am very fond of the Bulgarian oil. I actually have a rose garden filled with damask roses myself. But it seems that if poured in water it can damage the plants and fishes.. I wasn’t even aware of it until very recently.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like it's always been like that. Did the mods give you a reason for removing your post?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

No. I just got the removed by mods message.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The fact that the larger the subreddits get more picky they are about posts isn't a new problem, but it has apparently gotten a lot worse in last few years. Apparently a lot of subreddits now have automoderator rules that just nuke posts based on karma or "contributor quality", whatever the hell that means.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

But at the same time, some of the default subs' most prolific posts are bot reposts ad infinitum. Those never seem to get nuked even though it's crystal clear they're bot accounts...

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability.

/r/soapmaking might have some advice. There is a lemmy equivalent [email protected] but it doesn't look very active.

The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes.

I've always struggled with Reddit's arcane rules. I rarely know why my stuff is deleted. shrugs I don't really post there anymore, just lurk.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In general, Reddit has made the move that all big name old social media have made (except maybe like Snapchat? I can’t think of any other exceptions) and kowtowed to corporate advertiser money, rightwing misinformation and bigotry, and the egos of oligarchs such as Elon Musk. This is essentially done to make the fat cats in the corporation richer.

I was able to find your deleted Reddit post [EDIT: understanding now that you were referring to posts across multiple subs]. My best good faith guess [for r/frangrance] is that the mods may have considered it to be within the scope of the “No medical advice or health questions” sub rule? Navigating to even find the sub rules was difficult since the mods have attached them via a link that immediately redirects to an account sign-up page. My workaround to even read the rules was to copy the link and change the “www” to “old” and it worked.

[EDIT, continued: For r/zerowaste, the only good faith issue I can see — and it’s a stretch — is the verb tense of “[Crafting] Posts must be something that you have made yourself.” Since you haven’t yet made the fragrance in full, maybe they don’t allow WIPs or for others to help with WIPs?

I don’t see anything with r/sustainability’s rules that would apply. They do have a “No Surveys” rule but there are other posts that do solicit input and advice, so that apparently doesn’t apply to your post.]

You might find Lemmings who are happy to help with your fragrance situation on any of these communities:

https://lemmy.world/c/askscience

https://lemmy.world/c/science

https://aussie.zone/c/environment

https://mander.xyz/c/science

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I suppose this could be the case , although a strange decision to limit the discussion only on the smell aspect. You should be able to talk about ingredients. Anyway, like I said, il stick around here more. Thank you for the links, I will definitely check them out.

[–] [email protected] 277 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Sadly any substances related to showering are percieved as dangerous by the stereotypical reddit mod. :D

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Watch out. They might send an bitcoin assassin after you. One who could run you over with a mobility scooter or stab you with an insulin pen.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Oof even all the way on Reddit they had to have felt that burn lmao

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 week ago

This is the best comment I read all year. Thank you for the laughs.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

could you use embedded flower petals?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I could, but I need to check whether this is a perfectly safe option since the aim is fragrance and zero toxicity to water life. I didn’t consider this option before, so thank you.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When it comes to toxicity to water life you have to think of the dose. If a rose bush sheds a few petals and it falls to a lake will anything bad happen to the life in the lake? No absolutely not. That happens naturally. The petals will quickly decompose and become nutrients that will feed the ecosystem in the lake. However if someone would drop a dozen truckloads of petals in the lake then that would be way too much organic matter for the ecosystem in the lake to handle. But some shower gel is never gonna come close to that. It's more gonna be on the magnitude of the bush shedding some petals naturally in the lake. Same with the essential oil. Concentrated essential oil can be quite toxic to both human and other life. But in dilution it's something else completely. A natural rose bush will evaporate tonnes of essential oil straight into the air during its whole life time and nothing takes damage from it. That's why you can smell a rose plant when standing next to it. Dilution is sometimes actually the solution. A single drop of essential oil into the sewer drain once a day would not cause any negative effect at all when it's diluted with tonnes of shower, toilet, sink and even industrial waste water. Diluted it won't damage any life, especially since essential oils are biodegradable.

Also think what else gets down into the sewer. In most places your toilet and your shower are connected to the same system. The poop you put in your toilet is multiple magnitudes worse than anything you could use while showering. If your waste water treatment plant can't even treat the poo then you have bigger problems then anything you could put into your shower gel. If it's good enough to treat poo however then it's good enough to treat whatever's in your shower gel.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I admit I got quite a bit worked up with the constant greenwashing found everywhere and got a bit paranoid about contributing to the problem. I will have to talk a bit more with some specialists from the labs that I will be collaborating with (hopefully they won’t tell me what I want to hear, but be honest) and perhaps I find a solution. If all fails, then fragrance free it is..

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Organisms have incredibly complex biochemical makeup. Flowers will contain minute levels of formaldehyde and other toxic compounds. If there is no floor on what it takes to be "toxic," then only 100% purified chemical compounds could be included.

It would be better to determine what "safe" levels are based on regulatory body recommendations and then try to stay under those.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I admit I was taken aback by the certifications provided by pure oils. I will talk about it with a few labs and see if perhaps things could work. Although I still would have preferred to go with something 100 percent safe.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I second this—you can distill your own rose water from flowers. I’m sure you can find flowers to ethically source that would be quality for this purpose.

Edit: oh I see you said rose water is toxic to marine life? That’s unfortunate

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you have ever posted something vaguely critical of Trump, Elmo or nazis in another sub, then you may well have bots automatically remove your posts and comments on other subs

It turns out that there are plenty of people who are perfectly OK with nazis across many subreddits out there

Reddit has gone to shit

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wasn’t vaguely critical, but very clearly critical. Although I doubt it had an effect on r/ fragrance, but who knows…

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

It's definitely that. I have had the "honor" of being IP banned for over a year. Any accounts associated with my ip (and there were quite a few) were nuked. I never posted anything worse than run of the mill criticism like I do here on Lemmy but I never kissed any mods' rings either.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

You'd be surprised...

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