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The survey found that just one in four voters (24%) think the country is moving in the right direction – a key question in the run-up to a national election – and more than twice as many voters said that Biden’s policies had personally hurt them than those who said they had helped.

Of the two-thirds of the country that feels the nation is headed in the wrong direction, the poll found that 63% said they would vote for Trump.

In the Bloomberg survey, a large share of the respondents voiced concerns with Biden’s age and a significant percentage said Trump was dangerous, and suggested the number of “double haters”, as pollsters call voters who approve of neither candidate, is significant.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Am I the only one who hates double negatives like this? Wouldn't the title be much easier to understand if it was "Joe Bidens approval rating reaches new low"

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I don't know this the case for whichever poll this is based on, but disapproval and approval aren't necessarily complementary.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Democrats can't figure it out. They vote mostly on policies and when their team does something so dispicible they cannot in good conscious vote for them, they don't. The other side however is not voting on morals, but the exact opposite. They are trying to get their team to win just to spite the others and maybe a single issue they care about.

There are many Democrats (and yes I'm ignoring all 3rd party and "independent" because that's a lie in the USA) who at this point dislike many of the things that the government has done under the Biden term and are on the spite train. Remember it's only a few hundred people in some places that matter in the election. The larger swings were a few thousand. You could fit every single difference vote that determines the outcome of the election in a sports stadium. And half the seats would still be empty. You don't need many people to stay F Biden and not vote or vote against for Cheeto to win.

Democrats love to be hopeful. But hope and feels doesn't win an election after 2008 when it got blacks onboard in 2008. That's sort of a one time dealio as noticed in 2012 when the vote just disappeared. A woman candidate, Asian, or whatever other minority will also get some hopefy feely votes out. A decrepit old white man that eats ice cream does not.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Genocide will be forgotten by election.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

If only there was something Biden could do to stop his ratings plummeting 🤔

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

He already tried sending murder machines to Israel and he's out of ideas /s

[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago

I feel like headlines like this miss the point

Biden isn't president because people liked him he's president because the alternative was four more years of Cheetolini, not like that math has changed this time around either.

A significant portion of the people saying they disapprove of him are still going to vote for him because they have brains and would much less rather Trump get back into office.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

48%+ voters think Biden's policies personally hurt them? Why do I suspect if they were asked which, they would all name things completely out of Biden's control?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why do I suspect if they were asked which, they would all name things completely out of Biden’s control?

Speaking of which, as much as I couldn't stand George W. Bush, the financial collapse that happened on his watch was more or less the direct result of Bill Clinton repealing the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999.

See: Byron Dorgan's crystal ball -- specifically at 1:30 (he was only two years off).

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Hey! Look at that! Another poll! Just as accurate as all the ones before it I’d imagine!

[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago

I mean yeah, between Gaza, Republicans managing to push shit through the Supreme Courts and blocking Ukraine aid, and the fact that Trump is STILL somehow avoiding facing any consequences for his actions beyond fines that aren't even an inconvenience to him...

But mostly Gaza right now. It's blowing up every media outlet, it's incredibly easy to see that Israel is going way beyond all reasonable boundaries of retaliation, and it's completely impossible to ignore that the US is facilitating Israel's actions, arguably INSTEAD of aiding Ukraine.

Of course, I'm not exactly blind to the fact that two of Biden's biggest failures are 'The Republicans are doing comically evil shit for party-over-country political gain'. Even if him failing to stop them is a point against him, that doesn't change the fact it's pretty clear proof that the Repubs shouldn't be anywhere near a government office.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

I wish democrats were the right wing option in American politics. Any decent country would value them as firmly neoliberal and basically conservative in the dictionary sense. Social progress laggards, fiscally careful, and totally latched to the corporate teat

The fact that they're the lefties was enough to make me leave for good. If things get much worse I'll renounce my citizenship.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

Darn it! Why doesn't he just make peace in the middle east already? How hard can it be??

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I was told Jared Kushner accomplished it easily and it wasn't even the top of his side gigs...

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

One UN vote away and no more enabling. It can be done over the weekend.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

He could stop pouring gasoline in the fire

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Also, why didn't I get a pony?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Because you didn't vote for Vermin Supreme.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

well he can always stop aiding a genocide

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Does anyone have any information about the poll? I don't know Siena College, but I'm not a fan of what I've read. An 80% white, religious, private college with two Republican lawmakers and a Republican governor as alumni. I'm not saying they're biased, but without a look at the demographics they surveyed, I'm not going to take it at face value.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Here is an archive version of the NYT article.

Here is a link to the Sienna College/NYT poll.

Here is the link to the Bloomberg poll from last week (discussed in the Guardian article) that supports some of the Sienna/NYT poll's findings.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Fantastic! Thank you. I'll give them a look over. I appreciate it.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Glad to help. :)

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Generally-speaking, on polls I've seen in the past, Trump is more-highly-regarded than Biden on economic issues among Americans.

I've seen inflation referenced as a factor. Relative to recent decades, the Biden administration saw relatively-high inflation, and the Trump administration slightly below the norm. Inflation is a pretty visible indicator to people -- you see gasoline prices every time you refill the tank -- so a lot of public opinion of how a president performs economically hinges on what inflation is doing while they're in office.

I don't know about any recent shifts in the last few months, but Biden polling poorly on economic issues is more-or-less what I'd expect.

I don't know how quickly that fades. Inflation has fallen off, but prices have already risen. Probably possible to look at past polling data to see how sticky perceptions are after periods of high inflation.


The public prefer a recession to inflation

Did I say the public hate inflation? I meant they really hate inflation. It’s old, but this study by Nobel laureate Bob Shiller examined how much people disliked prices rising and why. Posing detailed questions to respondents in the US, Germany and Brazil, he first found people didn’t really worry about recessions and prized low inflation. In the US, 75 per cent of his survey preferred a world with 9 per cent unemployment (12mn) and 2 per cent inflation to one with high inflation and low unemployment. Germans took the same view, with 72 per cent favouring the recessionary world, while the results in Brazil were closer, but still 54 per cent wanted to avoid high inflation. On deeper probing, Shiller found that people think inflation is something done to them by government or companies (they really believe in greedflation), but if their wages rise, they earned it all by themselves.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

I mean I would say the same thing but that's because of the Republicans doing their noe-nazi thing.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I can’t remember an election where I voted for someone I approved of.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

In general, I was okay with Obama, but I still want further left. Like Bernie Sanders.

[-] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago

Most folks are going to say "the country is moving in the wrong direction." That's just a natural outcome of having a centrist (center-right by EU standards) as President in a highly polarized political climate.

Progressives want more social services. Conservatives want to own the libs.

While I would vote for someone more progressive if I had the choice, honestly a centrist may be good to just cool things down. Though Biden hasn't been great at that either.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

We need more party's that are economically left but also have the right views that people want individually, like people seem to care about immigration yet the left pretends people don't. Though the right just pretends to care, which isn't very helpful either.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

] While I would vote for someone more progressive if I had the choice, honestly a centrist may be good to just cool things down. Though Biden hasn't been great at that either.

I just wanted to say - how many times should this experiment be repeated before we figure out that no, centrist politicians to cool things down with the right doesn't work? You're just moving the Overton window further and further right, making it increasingly harder for leftist politicians to actually make progress.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I wasn't all that optimistic about a Biden presidency but he has actually accomplished a lot, in spite of a hostile Republican house, that the so-called media ignores. People in foreign countries understand this better than the average American who is quit ignorant about US politics. In fact, I hear more Putin/Republican talking points at the local sweat shop.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

"Bernie would be a centrist in Europe!" Says the American,

"The fuck is this moron smoking?" says the AfD voter

[-] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago

I think the biggest issue is simply that the struggling post-covid economy is blamed on Biden. Therefore people feel personally hurt by his policies.

Compare that to Trump who may have hurt a lot of people. But a majority felt unaffected personally. (I'm not an activist. I'm not trans. I'm not getting an abortion. I don't know the people coming across the border. I wasn't at the Capitol. Etc.)

[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

The Siena College-conducted poll, commissioned by the New York Times, showed that Biden currently lags behind likely Republican candidate Donald Trump 43% to 48% in registered voters nationally.

Popular vote matters for Dems. Because of how our system is set up, it's not what determines the election, but if a Republican wins the popular, they've already won the electoral college.

We're stuck with Biden, but his campaign still has time to pull his head of his ass and beat trump.

We just have to hope they listen to voters over donors or at least start doing a better job lying

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