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is me wanting to exist really too "woke" for you?

You fuckers are anything but silent.

Pretty sure it's the zios and other fash crying about having their lies revealed.

Why do I hear so much bitching about wokeness from the silent ones? If they want to call themselves the silent ones they should shut the fuck up. I might be interested if they had anything to say beyond the vague 'we're getting behind' and 'everything is confusing' which gives old-man-yells-at-cloud energy.

"Do things the way they do" like accept people's right to exist and be themselves. You're the ones enforcing things on people, your revulsion at seeing a black person isn't equal to that person's suffering under a racist system.

You entitled piece of shit.

We certainly wish you were silent

What does "woke" mean, when you say it? It used to refer to awareness of the existence of institutional racism. Does "anti-woke" refer to a lack of awareness, or a lack of concern? Would you argue that that would be a good thing?

What is "woke" to you? Not using racist slurs?

The word woke has been misused for so many years now its effectively meaningless other than meaning "dumb leftist"

Fuck we are a stupid species....

Ok there i go for the downvotes... Where there are people with which I disagree there is always confusion about everything, if you dont think or do things like they do they start scream and protest all the time. Thats why they are getting behind, the majority of people (the silent ones; like us) are tired of the constant whining

… We are above the fray. It is the they’s and them’s causing all the problem and doing all the complaining. This post isn’t the exact whining I’m talking about I promise. We us’s are just doing the lord’s work and never complaining.

Variant is probably a better choice than abnormality, if you're asking genuinely, that is.

Question, and this may not be the perfect place for this, but is it the phrasing that LGBTQ is a mental “illness” that’s the problem here, or that it’s a mental attribute at all?

There are many possible reasons why people might be upset at this change.

For example, loosening the moderation and restrictions like this it empowers people who are coming at this specifically with malice in mind to act with impunity.

I’m an LGBT supporter, so I’m not coming at this from a place of malice, I suppose it’s curiosity and ignorance. Don’t we basically understand that the way we function as humans is all a part of our brain chemistry, and that certain deviations from the norm cause things like ADD, homosexuality, musical creativity, etc etc?

That's a complicated question, with a lot of what i would consider reductive phrasing.

"Deviations from the norm" would imply that there is a specific baseline "norm" to point at, when it's much more of a vague idea of what is average, which changes over time and with increased understanding/study.

Grouping ADD, homosexuality and musical creativity together is also a bit of a stretch IMO.

ADD can be classified as a divergence from the very rough average baseline of brain function, but even then it encompasses a wide range of differences and these differences vary from person to person.

This is evidenced by how they diagnose these conditions ( ADD, ASD, Anxiety disorder etc), which is through questionnaires and assessments by professionals.

It's not a

"You tick the 10 ADD boxes so you get the label" kind of thing,

it's more

"You exhibit enough of these wide range symptoms with a large enough difference from the vague baseline that we would put you roughly in to this category"

Opinions on homosexuality being nature vs nurture vs "some other thing" is a whole other giant kettle of fish.

And musical "talent" can have many sources, depending on your definition.

The word illness seems way too strong, as we as a society have decided we don’t have anything against that personal trait/lifestyle/whatever

It's commonly used to establish a baseline platform for justifying and normalising bigotry and hatred towards something.

Look up what they used to call "Hysteria" and what that enabled them to justify as "medical procedures".

I'm sure there are people who legitimately think it's some sort of illness but i'd put my money on the majority just being arseholes using it as an excuse.

but as far as natural occurrences goes homosexuality must be considered a mental abnormality, no?

Depends on if you consider homosexual behaviour as something unnatural.

My personal opinion is that anything we do is "natural" as we are a part of nature, not outside of it.

Putting that argument aside however, there are instances of homosexual behaviour in animals other than humans.

It also heavily depends on your definition of "abnormal", for instance, would you consider left-handedness a mental abnormality ?

Again I don’t want to get caught up in feelings here, because I think people will hear that and take offence to it since no one wants to be “abnormal”

They might take offence because words have contextual meaning associated with them.

The strict definition of the word abnormal isn't particularly useful here , it's only when it's given context that it makes sense.

My view is that the word "abnormal" when used in the context of homosexuality has been continually used as a weapon, a way to normalise and justify bigotry.

If you establish up front what it is exactly you mean (for me this would need to include what you mean by "normal"), then you might get more positive responses.

but that is the concensus is it not?

As far as i understand it, no, it is not.

Your argument has been used countless times in history for a number of "abnormalities" that turn out to just be differences without distinction.

"Listen, I'm a supporter of red-heads, but don't we basically understand that it's a genetic abnormality? Maybe 'illness' is a bit harsh, but they're just not common enough in society to be considered normal."

I'm not going to downvote you and assume this is a genuine question. You appear to be aware that calling someone "abnormal" would be considered insulting. If you support the idea that someone having different sexual preferences is their own business, why would you want to use these labels? If one person likes math and the other likes literature, would you call one or the other abnormal? We all deviate from the norm because there is no norm.

Other animals exhibit homosexuality, we're the only species to exhibit homophobia. That should tell you all you need to know about which behavior is abnormal.