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The reason why reality and what people believe about reality diverge so heavily is because reality is based on mathematics while people's belief about reality is based on their experiences of the past. And past experiences fail to predict things like exponential growth or new theories or developments in technology.
Theres enough conspiracies that 1 in a million have to be true.
Don't use the one as evidence of the million.
I read a mainstream biography about Aristotle Onassis recently - something that was on the NY Times bestseller list back when it was published in 2004 - and near the beginning it casually comes up that the Secretary of State or head of the CIA (they were brothers at the time) was having an affair with the Queen of Greece. It wasn't even the point of the chapter. Instead, it was just a element in the US governments behind the scene manipulations as they used private intelligence firms to sink a deal between Onassis and the Saudis to fund their own shipping fleet.
Proverbs for Paranoids
—Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow
is there a convinient list somewhere of all the times this has happened?
Wikipedia CIA
Conspiracies and conspiracy theories are two very different things. The reason people scoff at conspiracy theories is because they are often times wrong and/or vague. How many *verified conspiracies actually started as a 'conspiracy theory'.
Edit: * added for clarification
before snowden is was a conspiracy theory that the government is always listening to you
well there's a reason for that -- feeling like someone is reading your thoughts or that your will is controlled by someone else and so on are common presentations of schizophreniform disorders. they just made it fucking true!
How many verified conspiracies actually started as a 'conspiracy theory'.
All of them? If you're questioning the official narrative you're "just a conspiracy theorist" until proven right
Actually 🤓 they rather start as undiscovered conspiracies until they leak enough to make people suspicious and form a theory
You know, I can’t stand dealing with a conspiracy theorist.
I understand why they’re crazy though.
Tuskegee syphilis experiment. MK Uktra. Snowden leaks. Various governments overthrown by the CIA.
I mean, people are crazy and evil knows no bounds.
That said, I prefer to look for the best in the world. I can understand getting lost in all that crap though. People are fucked up.
No. It's not a REAL conspiracy until the 4th Estate says so! They are the ones we should trust without question! They have NEVER proven themselves to be just another part of the control system!!
If 1 in 20 conspiracy theories are correct then you'll be 95% correct if you disbelieve all of them.
If you pick one to believe in you'll be about 90% correct on average.
If you pick 10 you'll be about 50% correct.
I don't get the middle statement. If you pick just one, the chance is 5%
Looks like Big Math got to you
People still don't believe their tax dollars are being spent to hurt them after being shown these documents.
MK Ultra moment
Every fucking time.
It's easy to recognise some super convenient propaganda, or follow the money, but sometimes it's not that simple.
The government wouldn't do that!
this is unrelated, but do any Lemmy clients have a tool or option to show what a hyperlink is linking too? just had an unexpected YouTube video blast full volume and feeling very foolish rn
On Jerboa, you can long press the hypertext and it'll show you the link
You can long press the link and the pop-up will show the address. Or hit reply and it will show the source text.
Sync shows contents of links(can see the youtube video above) and will give you a warning if it links to rickroll
I personally use Voyager, it shows all embedded links individually
It's never that I think they aren't evil enough, I just don't trust conspiracies that require too much competency. I think most of them are too dumb and uncoordinated to pull off most of the conspiracies I hear about.
Especially the ones where you would need the complicity and cooperation of thousands of people to pull it off.
Yeah. Conspiracies feed a need to believe that there's some easy reason why things are fucked. In reality... things are fucked for a great many reasons, and 'evil people in power' is middle of the pack, at best.
If you’ve ever tried to coordinate more than 50 people to do a thing, you quickly realize why people refer to management and leadership jobs as “herding cats.”
If someone gave me the option of faking the moon landing or going to the moon, I’d gladly strap a submarine to a missile.
It be fucking impossible to coordinate hundreds of people on the world’s biggest secret, then make them and their families abide by media training for half a century.
I think there’s a danger in underestimating a government’s ability to keep a secret especially when they have the power to kill you and your family if you break it. While we shouldn’t overestimate the conspiracies they conduct (i.e. the world isn’t flat, we did land on the moon, vaccines don’t cause autism). I think it’s reasonable to suspect that your government is keeping some important information out of the public eye. Oft for the reason of “national security” aka, it would be embarrassing to us if this leaked.
Unless you're working on something incredibly important, and you can threaten people with jail time if you tell anyone. The US government kept the SR-71 blackbird secret for about a decade, for example.
True, but also I feel like that's small potatoes by comparison.
And also I feel like it's related to the publicity of the thing that is supposedly a conspiracy. with the sr71 nobody even knew to look into it; with the moon landing, people were following the very public demonstrations every step of the way.
Also the difference in wow factor.
Its "we are making an even faster, better and more stealthy plane than all the previous ones we have" vs "we are convincing the entire world that we are leaving our actual planet to fly through space and land on the moon".
One of these is a significantly more juicy secret to impress someone with.
The most believable conspiracies are the ones where it's full of incompetence. Like ZunZuneo
Yeah, especially the COVID conspiracies are mostly brain dead stuff
The whole world pretty much stopped, which helps absolutely no one, but somehow those guys think, that a dark force is trying to kill the economy for...profit?
Also all the scientists and doctors are together in bed and just want people to stay indoors, because... I have absolutely no clue
It just didn't make sense from the start.
Although I do get scepticism against new vaccine methods, but when someone tries to "explain" to me, that mRNA somehow overwrites my DNA and I should drink bleach instead...I usually don't even know where to start to correct them
I agree but a lot of mom and pop shops shut down and of course walmart and all the big names were still operating the whole time. At least here in Canada
We didn't need COVID for that
Give it a few years and those shops would be dead anyway - sadly
Small towns here tend to build large shopping centers near town border, which just hungers out local businesses
No need for COVID to accomplish that
Edit: and it's not just about America, but about the whole world.
Wanna tell me, that Walmart planned a coup, just for US centric sellings and the also the rest of the world stood still?
And you're a fool if you think they ever stopped.
They would kill you and everything you love if it meant they’d get more money. Never forget that.
Corporations would happily use slave labor if that was legal.
Source: The United States prior to 1865
We still use slave labor, California just voted against abolishing it.
Yeah. Pretty much anywhere slavery is legal will use slaves. Our system rewards people for destroying society.