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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/22744169

Florida State Senator Ileana Garcia has introduced legislation to prohibit "weather modification" activities in the state.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Does this affect Jewish space lasers at all? Asking for a friend

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So, a plane that dumps water onto a fire is dispersing a chemical (water) with the express purpose of controlling the temperature. So firefighting planes would be illegal under this bill.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Sure is a good thing that florida doesn't have forest fires... RIGHT?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Well yeah, they rake their forests

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

I mean, that's fine. No one is doing that anyway, so it won't affect anything. It's like banning post-birth abortion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The "Weather Modification Activities" bill sets out that "the injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance, or an apparatus into the atmosphere within the borders of this state for the express purpose of affecting the temperature, the weather, or the intensity of sunlight is prohibited."

So, taking it at the closely-adjacent letter like how Repub trash interprets everything, all industry in the entire state must cease, including power generation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Nope, it says "express purpose" meaning that my doomsday machine is legal because it's purpose is to... Uhh... Make snow cones! The earthquakes and volcanoes are just a side effect.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago

The bill was filed on November 20 by Garcia, a Republican

Was anyone really unsure of her party affiliation by this point in the article?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago

Does this prohibit people from shooting at the clouds to scare them away?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Prohibit "weather modification".

So are they banning Sharpies?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago

Worse: Weather modification, though possible, just doesn't really work. People gave up on that back in the day.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This has more implications than I think most realize. This would also prevent climate engineering or hurricane avoidance efforts. I wouldn’t want just anybody to try these kinds of things without a lot of effort to understand the consequences and public debate, but this seems pretty short sighted.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

I thought we were using nuclear weapons for that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Hope it passes so everyone flying a jet plane over Florida that leaves a contrail or agricultural spraying has to go to court to get the fine dismissed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

No more planes into or out of Florida doesn't sound like the worst outcome to me.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 hours ago

The same people who think humans can't alter the climate also claim that the government is controlling the weather.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago

People can't afford home insurance, seniors are being driven from their condos but let's focus on a law addressing conspiracy theories. Next up, a law protecting big foot.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

These bills are always branded as being "anti-chemtrail," because it gets more clicks but they are banning a real thing that actually exists. The idea of chemically altering the atmosphere to address global warming is something that scientists have seriously considered and experimented with, but the general consensus is that while the concept is possible, the risks outweigh the benefits. On the other hand, there are certain irresponsible groups of techbros like Make Sunsets which have taken it into their own hands and have been releasing a bunch of sulfur into the stratosphere, to widespread criticism from actual scientists, while they try to present themselves as an environmentalist charity.

So there is a real thing that they're targeting, but also, it's not going to do anything since the restrictions only apply within a given jurisdiction. At most, it might prevent certain universities and such from conducting tests (which isn't an inherently bad thing given the dangers).

What it comes down to is basically the same formula as the whole "eating bugs" and "15 minute cities" things. Somebody gets paid to come up with a solution to climate change that doesn't involve interfering with capitalism in any way, they come up with some out of the box idea that might help a little - then reactionaries latch onto that, because as they all "know," climate change isn't real, so whatever weird idea anyone comes up with must be the real reason why the global elites are spreading the myth.

Of course, conservatives probably aren't concerned about this concept for the same reasons scientists are, and I'm sure there's conspiracy theories out there that do go the whole chemtrail route with it, but hey. They kinda sorta accidentally have a little bit of a point on this one.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I feel sorry for all the entrepreneurs and employees in the chemtrail industry.

Imagine that you're flying a chemtrailer and then a wild $10000 fee appears out of nowhere, and there's a shark. Are you going to choose the shark? Nobody would. I guess a fine of $1000 is just the cost of doing chemtrail business now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"I'm trying to make gay frogs."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine every commercial jet that leaves a contrail now having to go to court.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

"911, what is your emergency?"

"THERE IS A PLANE IN THE SKY SPREADING CHEMICALS OVER MY HOUSE"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

(Technically there are chemtrails that exist. Crop dusting planes. So i actually wonder if this will impact crop dusting in any capacity.)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know what chems you've been huffing, but they seem fun, so please share some 😄

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Puff Puff Pass!

I'm after you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

"Pass the dutchie on the left hand side" isn't just a Tim Hortons slogan

[–] [email protected] 30 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"Fun" fact, "chemtrails" were used in the Soviet Union in 86' right after the Chernobyl disaster to stop a radioactive cloud going to Moscow. They dumped a shitload of dry ice to make it rain. It rained over small villages which caused people there to get radiation sickness.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

Fun "fact," this was the inspiration for Prince's Purple Rain.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 16 hours ago

And again I'm grateful that I'm not from the US. I know dumb people are everywhere but you clearly have loudest.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 16 hours ago

So shut down all coal and gas power plants.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The airlines should immediately halt service to the entire state if this goes in to effect. Why waste the time and money defending yourself against these conspiracies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 13 hours ago

the injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance, or an apparatus into the atmosphere within the borders of this state for the express purpose of affecting the temperature, the weather, or the intensity of sunlight is prohibited.

it doesn't affect them.

It's stupid as fuck but is slightly saved by being worded as to be utterly and completely toothless.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I feel SO sorry for the few sane rational people in Florida some times.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 17 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago

Come on now… there are tens of them.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

Dave Barry? But he’s hilarious!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

There's always time to fuck Dave.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 18 hours ago

Nothing else to do at work but this. Must be nice.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)
[–] [email protected] 80 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

So no more releasing CO2 or CH4 (chemicals) into the atmosphere then?

[–] [email protected] 65 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I wish! They worded it such that the burning of fossil fuels and other things leading to the eradication of humanity through climate change are exempt 😮‍💨

[–] [email protected] 38 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

But we know for sure that these chemicals are modifying the weather!

I guess, crazy people just need to shout at clouds sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago

Everyone knows it only counts if it takes 2 hours to modify the weather. Anything over that is simply God's will

[–] [email protected] 21 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

And here am I remebering the last hurricane devastating Florida, thinking: "You probably need some weather manipulation more then others..."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Neither is it thin.