Recently had someone argue Palestine isn't genocide because the Arab population in Israel is going up.
Any obsession with birth rates is a red flag for brain worms, as surely as talking about skull shape.
this post was submitted on 02 Nov 2023
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Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide
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Go to lemmygrad.ml and post about Russia or China. You will read insane ramblings about projections. Somehow the argument is always "look at this bad thing in the west, here is completely misinformed info about your country, look how good Russia/China, skip over genocides you are projecting it is happening in the West, to finish my argument Are You a Nazi?!".
Yougoslavia was created by soviets/russia. His beloved communists. I am super interested in what mind gymnastics he has to excuse that.
He could have gone with Africa or Middle East, much better example of collosal fuck ups of Ze Bad West. But that would require knowledge of history longer than 50 years.
Also crying about Poland. As a guy living in Poland, hearing stories of people that fought in WWII and people that lived in communist Poland, I am so interested in how these first hand accounts are US misinformation.
I was banned from Lemmygrad for statements that were critical of the authority of the USSR, and writings of their savior Karl M.
I was banned from Lemmy.world for anti-zionism. Most of the Lemmy side of the fediverse seems infested with authoritarianism that's as bad as Reddit's corporatism.
Lemmy.world is run by Enlightened Centrists. People who think we should all just get along, and calmly discuss these life-and-death matters, no matter how demonstrably wrong a lie is, or how much bad-faith abuse someone spits.
At this point - any internet community demanding "civility" is a red flag for bad moderation. "Be nice!" means they're not prepared to treat 'stop implying I'm subhuman, asshole' as the justified response to a troll with a rear-mounted boot slot that needs filling. And even then it's a coin-toss. You can spend immense effort restraining and editing responses to complete bullshit, guiding someone by-the-nose through why they're blatantly fucking wrong, while they keep trying to make that personal through chest-beating and snide remarks... and then watch then give up all pretense and spit the worst insults they can imagine over dry criticism of what they choose to say... and see your reports of idiotic directed abuse go absolutely nowhere.
If your rules effectively run interference for bastards, fuck your rules.
I will always advocate the people leave those platforms and go to other instances. I don't know why everybody moved over to Lemmy.world when people left reddit. I assume it must have been heavily promoted over there although I never saw it.
Been on a smaller instance has only upside, it's far less likely to go completely insane and then get itself defederated from other instances, it does not tend to get DDoS attacks as much, and you can still access all the content on those larger instances, assuming you want to.
Been on a smaller instance has only upside
Unlike every previous service.
I think it was the largest, and people just went to the largest group, making it even larger. That just accelerated the issues with that instance. There ideally would have been instance finding tools that prioritized spreading new users out, but oh well.
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Ah they're a tankie
This comment is pretty old. Do we really want to demonize anything anyone has said? I've probably said some ideological embarrassing things in the past.
Unless he's still pushing these talking points, I really don't see the point
This comment is pretty old.
It's from 2021, it's post pandemic for god's sake it's hardly ancient history.
I've probably said some ideological embarrassing things in the past.
Yeah but no one cares about the things you say because you're not a major software developer. If you were it would also be perfectly acceptable to have a go at you about some of your less desirable talking points.
Unless he's still pushing these talking points
Yeah but he is isn't he? That's the point he hasn't got any better he's still out there doing it.
I considered that and removed the other threads. Though I think this one should be an exception (even if it's from reddit), mostly because it's almost a copypaste of Dessaline's github--Hell this comment may have been where that part of the github originated.
For those unaware, Dessaline has quite the extensive github of tankie ideology and talking points, I've read through most of it and it's pretty fucking shit. Some of the "sources" are literally just random tweets. It's very akin to those anti-vax gish gallop diarrhoea spiels where they think memes are sources.
2y is really not that old and they have had a track record with those comments starting from over on reddit which resulted in a ban and them developing this website. The plans for this site came from being so out spoken about it. Your point would be valid if they hadn't said anything and showed to be actively correcting themselves for those last two years.
Could anyone please add more context? I see some reddit user spewing some bullshit, but how do we know that's Dessalines? Genuine question...
The irony that he started lemmy because he got a ban and then does the same shit on his own platform.
Power corrupts but as others have said, the joke is on them as it is decentralized and no longer theirs. They just helped start it.
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Thanks. Ugh, I don't want to use lemmy anymore now....
Using their own creation against them is poetic justice though. Nothing stopping anyone from forking the backend either.
Or you could just join an instance that isn't federated with lemmy.ml
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goat, whoever that person is, doesn't mind his own bussines, and likes to judge other people
And also, propaganda, please stop taking sides, stop listening to propaganda. All countries are bad, media is lying
Sorry what's your complaint?
What's the point of paying attention to people you don't like, what's the point of spreading propaganda?
Maybe that person is spreading Chinese propaganda, but you're spreading anti Chinese propaganda, you're not a bit better than that person
I use Kbin so I don't really care, but couldn't someone with at least a little bit of sanity just fork Lemmy? Or at the very least create more instances that aren't run by brainless delusional extremists...
I agree with the sentiment of forking lemmy. It'll add more alternative platforms aswell which Is great
I believe beehaw is currently doing that, and I wouldn't be surprised if other instance developers are doing the same in their own time.
Lemmy is a poisoned seed. Besides the questionable lead developers, you have the most popular lemmy instances enforcing rules arbitrarily while lying about it and removing entries from the modlog arbitrarily making them all but useless. At least it will be a good exercise in determining how well its federated nature allows it to survive.
Given how often it has happened, I'd say it's the fate of these sort of migrations from other major social networks to be spearhead by lying opportunists and people trying to hide their flaws through abuse of power. Unfortunately, social networks are far removed from the time when the people doing the spearheading where acting as good faith developers exploring what was possible - they'd probably be among the first to get gaslit and DDOSed.
I'm curious about mod log editing, can you elaborate?
But yeah, ml has basically marked my accounts at this point because I've repeatedly challenged their socialist orthodoxy and they seem really upset about it. Basically any time I comment I get another ban with no explanation.
No modlog editing happened. The modlog is federated so editing it makes no sense.
Look up the user internettubes in the modlog and you will find it:
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It comes from the IWB archivals mentioned here: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/554307/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-is-perhaps-worse-than-reddit
Basically take https://web.archive.org/web/20231019235547/https://lemmy.world/modlog and try to find the same in this later one https://web.archive.org/web/20231021224842/https://lemmy.world/modlog . You'll find a lot of missing gaps.
Looks like they didn't like somebody referencing Tiemaman square
Rules. Lame
Does anyone create a social media platform without being an absolute nutjob? Tom from Myspace, maybe?
I worked with Tom at a pizza hut in the 90s. Dude would always stick his dick in the pizza oven. I never noticed any crazy behavior from him, though.
Don’t quote me on this but I went to school with Tom and, during a dissection, nicked my finger with a scalpel. He quickly lifted my hand and proceeded to suck my finger for the rest of class. It took 3 large men to separate my digit from his mouth and 2 more to fish out my fingertip. I heard they pumped 3 pints of blood from his stomach.