Cethin

I never said HRT was "sex change" though I would argue it potentially changes your sex, based on some definition of sex.

I did in another comment refer to a sex change surgery, which may be what you're referring to. Yeah, that has other names, but the point of that comment was the language is something we're working backwards to, and not something we should work forward from, unlike what you implied with your comment that was on. Whatever it's called, that's not an argument for what effect it has. We change the names of things as we evolve our understanding. We don't understand based on what things are called.

I know the difference between sex and gender. My point has been consistently that sex is hazy. It is not a binary, and calling someone "biologically male" who does not want to be called that is a snobby way to be an asshole, particularly because "biologically male" doesn't mean much, if anything. Assigned gender at birth is clear and there are no questions, so use that. If they're undergoing HRT and/or gender reassignment surgery, their biology is no longer that of their birth, so they are not "biologically male." Do you agree with this, or are you going to continue arguing that you were totally right the whole time? If you think you were right, which part of biology is the sex identifier? You haven't answered that.

And we call it sex change surgery despite not changing your chromosomes (which is what 99.9% of the "biological sex" people refer to). If your point is the language is flawed, I agree. If your point is that the flawed language is accurate, I don't. What is sex? If your answer has anything that is modified by hormones then you agree that sex is much more complicated than a single binary, and biological sex is a misleading, oversimplified, and inaccurate term.

It only needs to be simple if you say it should be simple. Biological male is a bad term because it implies some simple binary, which doesn't exist. If it does exist, then you should be able to tell me specifically which biological process it refers to.

I would say it is the sum of biological processes that result in the expected sexual dimorphism observed within the majority of the population, resulting in biologically male or female traits.

Fine answer. OK, so when someone takes HRT they are modifying these biological processes to fit with their chosen gender, correct? So they are now biologically their chosen gender, according to your definition, right? They are not the gender assigned at birth anymore.

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While way too high, some of that cost is for things other than housing directly. There's going to be some overhead that is still useful and increases the cost per person. It obviously shouldn't be that high, but it probably will make it cost more than the equivalent would be in housing cost alone.

Which biological process do you think that term refers to? If you can't pinpoint a single specific one, and have that make sense and have every person agree with you, then it's clearly not useful.

The only thing thats useful about it is it allows someone to be a bigot and act like they're intellectually superior (while also managing to be less precise and generally incorrect).

No, it's not. What part makes someone "biologically" male or female? If their hormones are such that they are growing in the manner you'd expect for a male or female then they are biologically that sex, regardless of what they were at birth. Your chromosomes are not your biology. A(M/F)AB is unambiguous and clear. Biologically male or female could be referring to a number of biological processes in their body, many/most of which are associated with their chosen gender if they're undergoing HRT.

Biologically male or female would be more correct as gender is a social construct.

I'm just using the term they used.

Also the term is referring to their original status pre-hormonal or other gender affirming care so no.

AFAB/AMAB is for the original status.

You’re the only person here who has used that term.

The logic you're coming from is what's taught in basic biology. You didn't use the term, but you used the knowledge. I bet this politician has used the term though, but I'm not going to dig to find out because I don't really care.

Yeah, with the need for the cartridges, I don't know who this appeals to. I would think it appeals to people who already have a library of games, but they also probably have original hardware, and running on a CRT is probably ideal, not a modern display in 4k. The CRT hides the low detail from the time and has built-in AA, so it (subjectively) looks better.

So, if it's not for those people, is it for new people? In which case they better be loaded because getting the games isn't easy. In which case, getting an original console probably isn't an issue.

It isn't naive, there's just a lot of reasons why it isn't done. Most people have families back home, for example, and they'll face consequences if you do this. It does happen though. It's rare, but it's possible.

How was the kiss? Did you like it?

OK, so you recognize intersex people. Good. Let's start there. So we can have people who appear like men or women who actually have the genitals of the opposite (or both), right? OK, so what caused that development? Usually it's related to chromosomes, but that isn't actually the cause. The thing that creates the differentiation is what hormones they have. The chromosomes usually are what controls their output though, so it's correlated.

OK, so we recognize that hormones are the thing that actually causes this. What happens when we artificially control what hormones are in the body? Does it matter what could have happened if we subvert that and control it manually? Which part is biologically deciding their gender? Isn't it the thing actually being expressed? If that's the case, then aren't they biologically women?

There's more to biology than you learned in your high school bio class (that you probably failed). "Basic biology" is, as the name implies, basic and not a full understanding. Anyone appealing to "basic biology" is admitting they don't actually understand any more than that.

(Just FYI so you can know where I'm coming from, I'm a cisgendered straight white man. This doesn't effect me directly, so I'm not arguing from self preservation. This shouldn't matter, but some people would probably discount the opinions of trans people as "arguing from emotion" or some bullshit just to ignore them.)