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"Outside of 1930s Germany I am not aware of that working anywhere else," Richards added.
Um, no, that works all over the place.
Since 1930s Germany is mentioned, it also didn't really work there. Hitler only won with 35 percent of the popular vote. So Trump in the US is already more popular as Hitler was then.
Most people don't realize this. You might enjoy this book:
Takeover: HITLER'S FINAL RISE TO POWER
It's frightening to realize how the nazis were barely clinging to power and almost disappeared before becoming dominant. We're right there now.
There's nothing more dangerous than a cornered animal as they say...
That statement kind of elides the whole electoral and legislative structure of the Weimar Republic at the time, though. It was a parliamentary system (whose legislative body was - and was again, after the fall of the Third Reich - the Reichstag). So in point of fact, though the NSDAP (the Nazi Party) received a plurality of the votes in the WR’s last three elections, nobody “voted for Hitler”. So the analogy of political tribalism being leveraged by a fascist party with a fascist cult-of-personality head actually holds up a good bit better than the numbers you present here might lead one to assume.
It’s fair to point out that the NSDAP sort of formed around Hitler, where as the GOP (“Weimar” Republicans? Might have to start using that as a sneaky jab in conversation, hah) was subsumed by Trumpism, but all he really did was to turn the quiet parts of their platform up to 11 and emphasize populist and tribal (not as in “First Nation”) sentiments. However, I’d argue that that makes the GOP/Trump combination a good bit more insidious than the NSDAP - especially considering how much the GOP loves to lean on the technically-true-but-deeply-misleading line of “we’re the party that ended slavery”, since it utterly ignores the ideological shift of the party over the intervening 160 or so years.
Note: absolutely none of this should be construed in any way as Nazi apologia. It is simply a technical clarification on the system of government and the electoral and leadership-selection mechanics that existed in the Weimar Republic at the time, and my thoughts as to how that matches up with some parts of our current situation, in terms of the political analogies.
France is a bit more analogous. The left had the most votes and Macron just appointed the conservatives to be Prime Minister.
Absolutely correct, as a German it just irks me that the popular belief about Hitler Germany was that all Germans were in favour of it. Many very much weren't, at least at the beginning before all media was turned into a pure propaganda apparatus.
Kind of scary to think if we had parliamentary type elections Trump has a dedicated 35. There may be a larger coalition of liberal parties still but this election wouldn't be the moratorium of Trump as we hope it turns out. Him and his party would win a substantial amount of seats.
Then you see the example Macron in France just set. Overwhelming liberal victory and he's handing the PM spot to a very old, homophobic conservative.
Hitler only became Chancellor because "moderates" were more afraid to form a coalition with leftists than allow a fascist to rise to power. Sound familiar?
If we had a parliamentary system, we would have been able to organize a much larger coalition against Trump, especially the second time around.
Hitler could only take over because the conservatives were more afraid of the communists and thought they could control Hitler and use him. He used them instead.
Something similar seems to happen again now in Germany.
~~Hitler~~ Trump could only take over because the conservatives were more afraid of the ~~communists~~ the left and thought they could control ~~Hitler~~ Trump and use him. He used them instead.
As the other comment or noted, that still works for trump. That's basically 2016 in a nutshell
That kind of talk has been consistent with the conservatives now too. The big bad scary socialist coming to the white house to destroy the economy. Same playbook. My point stands
The GOP seemed like it might have been turning against Trump (since, you know, he lost). And then it didn't, and everyone was back to groveling at his feet. They had his name in lights at the RNC as if he was Roxy from Chicago.
They deserve the candidate they ran with.
They deserve the candidate they ran with
they might but the rest of us don't
They're afraid of his base.
Roxy? Noooo… she don’t have to put up a red light. 😭
"I better win or you're gonna have problems like we've never had. We may have no country left," Trump said at his weekend swing-state rally. "This may be our last election. You want to know the truth? People have said that. This could be our last election."
It's always projection with him and his supporters.
Side note: the thumbnail on this article has priceless meme potential.
Side note: the thumbnail on this article has priceless meme potential.
That's the face my kid used to make as a baby when pooping.
What a coincidence! There's a reason why he wears adult diapers.
He's quoting himself. He's the one who said it. Its on video
Wow, the one time trump has told the truth!
Also orange dipshit:
I am going to be a dictator on day one
Interviewer:
Did you mean…
Orange dipshit:
Did I stutter?
Magoos: He was just kidding!
Orange dipshit: I don't joke about anything!
Magoos: that was a joke too, he's just really deep you don't get it.
The relevant:
"I better win or you're gonna have problems like we've never had. We may have no country left," Trump said at his weekend swing-state rally. "This may be our last election. You want to know the truth? People have said that. This could be our last election."
Eh. The article goes on to quote pundits who claim he's threatening voters -- that if he doesn't win, he's gonna do something to end democracy.
Seems kind of overblown to me. First, Trump would have to do something (laugh) and second, this is normal posturing. If you elect the other person, it's doom and gloom, if you elect me it's 4 more years of good times. These folks would have watched LBJ's Daisy and concluded that LBJ was planning to nuke the country if he didn't win.
People trying to make sense of Trump's incomprehensible blather are always gonna come out looking silly.
Ok, traitor.
everyone is overcomplicating this imo. in the context of the last 3.5 years, clearly this is just trump saying democrats will "steal" every future election if he doesn't win this year.
saying democrats will “steal” every future election
It goes way beyond that. His threats are intended to evoke all sorts of emotions and fears - that's why he keeps them so vague. An accomplished conman like him knows how to work his marks.
No, I have to disagree.
So, you don't remember January 6, 2021?
Exactly. Trump is projecting. His lot will move to end elections if they win, so they accuse the opponent of wanting to end elections.
Well, it made me turn off ad blockers then the ads crashed my tab.
But it sounded like it's republicans overacting and mad at democrats because we're "letting" trump run instead of a candidate who would have a better chance to beat Kamala?
They're just jealous we dropped our geriatric candidate and they couldn't.
They’re just jealous we dropped our geriatric candidate and they couldn’t.
to be honest the GOP lost the chance to be free of Trump when their senators refused to convict him after the Jan 6 impeachment.
They could have been free of him. they could have put this party above their own personal power. but nope. They chose this. They chose him over america.
They chose an insurrectionist asshole. a misogynist. a racist. a rapist. a bigot in every way. A geriatric fascist prick.
which, all this besides, Trump could back out any time he wanted to. just like Biden did. But that also would put America before his own personal power.
TL/DR:
...well, he can't back out: his 2016 win was the unintentional outcome of a ~~failed~~ media campaign gone awry, and everything since then has been a mad scramble to avoid prosecution for all the laws he broke along the way and to keep uncle vlad's kompromat at bay...
...once he loses executive immunity or outlives his usefuless, his whole world comes crashing down: you've seen the panic in eyes since late 2016, and most of the remaining GOP have since come along for the same ride...
That’s a good point.
to be honest the GOP lost the chance to be free of Trump when their senators refused to convict him after the Jan 6 impeachment.
I think they lost their chance when he won in 2016. He has so thoroughly captured their base that ousting him would certainly lose them the next several elections, if they ever could fully recover. That’s not to say it’s not 100% on the GOP, he’s the consequence of decades of pandering to the far-right. I’m convinced they could have gotten rid of him before 2016 as well, but the conservatives thought they could control Hitler again and now he’s got them by the balls.
I mean, they also could've convicted him after his first impeachment, too. Or they could've 25th'd him, or they could've not stacked the Federal judiciary with partisan traitors like Judge Cannon, or any number of things that would've entailed acting in good faith for the good of the country instead of blatantly trying to seize power at all costs. They had plenty of chances and rejected them all.
all of which happened before the Jan 6 impeachment and senate trial. They and him are the same.
Lmao, WHAT‽
Exactly