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"The SCOPE Act takes effect this Sunday, Sept. 1, and will require everyone to verify their age for social media."

So how does this work with Lemmy? Is anyone in Texas just banned, is there some sort of third party ID service lined up...for every instance, lol.

But seriously, how does Lemmy (or the fediverse as a whole) comply? Is there some way it just doesn't need to?

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago

It’s called the “Fuck Texas” response to such a garbage law. And good luck enforcing it especially with federated sites.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

The answer? Block Texas

Not joking. If suddenly hundreds or thousands of sites would become unavailable. It wouldn't last a week

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Pavel from Telegram is in trouble with Texas.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 months ago (30 children)

Lemmy isn’t social media. Ignoring that though, the law actually says:

According to the Texas Office of the Attorney General, this new law will primarily “apply to digital services that provide an online platform for social interaction between users that: (1) allow users to create a public or semi-public profile to use the service, and (2) allow users to create or post content that can be viewed by other users of the service. This includes digital services such as message boards, chat rooms, video channels, or a main feed that presents users content created and posted by other users.”

Which literally applies to every single site on the entire planet that has a comment section. This law is incredibly unenforceable.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yep. This is another dumbass politicians trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist with a solution that doesn't work.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago

I'm so glad I don't live in that shithole state.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago

Set up a redirect for all Texas IP addresses. Point to Fuck Texas.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 months ago

As someone neither living nor hosting my instance in Texas I'll basically ignore it, and if it came to it I'd block the entirety of Texas if they somehow convince courts to enforce this outside of Texas.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago

lol it doesn’t

Texass is gonna have to play whack-a-mole and do it the hard way. And I’m pretty sure the more technically inclined members of the fediverse are going to have loads of fun fucking with whatever IT measures they try to mitigate this with, because they’re certainly not going to be drawing the best and brightest minds.

Put another way: weaponized non-neurotypicals are gonna have some fun fucking with a state government that doesnt like them, because the feeling is very much mutual.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's the internet - so unless you're under Texas' jurisdiction, then it's likely going to just simply be ignored. Lemmy doesn't have an interest in making money in Texas or anything, so it's not like they can go after bank accounts, or otherwise retaliate in any manner other than blocking Lemmy in Texas....so...nothing lost.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Enjoying freedumb in Texas, I bet. One of the least-free states in the country.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Its getting more dystopian by the week. I would say day, but a lot of brains don't move that fast here.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The same way lemmy works with GPDR. Lemmy completely ignores it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (7 children)

It doesn't exactly ignore it, but in a sense GDPR doesn't apply to Lemmy.

Long story short, GDPR is made to protect private information, and EVERYTHING in Lemmy is public so there is no private information to protect. It's similar to things like pastebin or even public feed in Facebook, companies cannot be penalized for people willingly exposing their information publicly, but private information that is made public is a problem.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

That's the vibe I'm getting. No problem.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's going to be a big problem when the EU catches wind. Gpdr is a nasty law, hard to comply with properly, and has harsh fines. And no, "we tried to comply" will not fly

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

At times like this I wish we had /c/LegalAdvice - would love for someone who says "IAAL" to chime in.

Some of the biggest lemmy instances - lemmy.world, feddit.de - are based in the EU. I don't understand how EU based instances like these would be able to get away with not following GDPR.

Though, it may be more that GDPR doesn't apply, as per https://decoded.legal/blog/2022/11/notes-on-operating-fediverse-services-mastodon-pleroma-etc-from-an-english-law-point-of-view/

[The UK GDPR] does not apply to … the processing of personal data by an individual in the course of a purely personal or household activity
But for those spinning up an instance of a fediverse service for them and their friends, for a hobby, I think there’s far more scope for argument.

In any case it seems like asking a fediverse instance to be compliant with the GDPR is possible, see for an example at https://sciences.re/ropa/ and https://mastodon.social/@robin/109331826373808946 for a discussion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (10 children)

They won't be able to the second someone reports them and a spotlight is put onto them. It does apply. Devs just don't give a shit and admins are hosting what's available.

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