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Tulsi Gabbard left no doubt when she testified to Congress about Iran’s nuclear program earlier this year.

The country was not building a nuclear weapon, the national intelligence director told lawmakers, and its supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program even though it had enriched uranium to higher levels.

But Donald Trump dismissed the assessment of U.S. spy agencies during an overnight flight back to Washington as he cut short his trip to the Group of Seven summit to focus on the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.

“I don’t care what she said,” Trump told reporters. In his view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

How exactly does one become a spy?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Did Netanyahu get his hands on the pee tapes?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

They can probably use Epstein's tapes.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The truth doesn't really matter. Israel will get their war, and the US will lumber into it behind them.

What's crazy to me is apparently the US has become so polarized, so used to division that pointing out Israel is acting like bloodthirsty psychos is somehow supporting Iran, or Hamas before that. It's like their whole culture has evaporated any nuance at all. Only diametrically opposed good and evil battling forever. Professional wrestling stories with Heels and Faces divided by clear black lines.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It is the only thing conservatives/fascists have left.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Quick, dust off the "weapons of mass destruction" propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Came here to say the exact same thing.

It doesn't matter if it is true or not (not just this topic) but if you repeat the lie enough and gaslight the public it becomes true, and if it doesn't so what, what are you going to do about it.

NOTHING that is what they are counting on.

Keep up the protests, the No Kings protest was huge even if MSM is downplaying it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty consistently it's been reported that Iran has been increasing its capabilities to quickly create a nuclear weapon should they need to, rather than simply embarking immediately on constructing nukes.

And honestly, at this point, they'd be stupid not to, since the main negotiator (the US) of their opposing coalition has proven to be utterly unwilling to maintain any agreements regarding denuclearization for more than 4 years at a time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

at this point a Nuke in Iranian hands would probably calm the region down

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

A few, maybe. One just means you have to use it or lose it, I think. One is very different from several.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Why that damn bullet had to hit the firefighter instead?

I'm so fucking tired.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Look, having nuclear...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Trump is going to end up getting the spies killed like he did on his first term.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We didn’t attack Iran so it doesn’t matter what we think. Presumably Israel thought they were.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

It will matter when the USA attacks Iran, which was looking imminent last time I checked.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's fine. Iraq didn't have WMDs either. They just need a lie to sell it to the public.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

First, weaken the commercial aviation in your country. Second, start calling everything terrorism. Third, start yet another war in the middle east.

Your guy is desperately looking for another 911.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m expecting a false-flag attack here soon to give him an excuse to officially pull the US into it

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Both are Russian assets and Russia is building Iran's nuclear capabilities. Why are the fucking Saudis so quiet? They would like to destroy their largest oil competitor, Iran, like they did with Iraq.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

In [Trump's] view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

Those are clearly Netanyahu's words in his mouth. Netanyahu has been loudly and confidently saying that at regular intervals since 2012. Iran is always weeks away.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

They’ve been saying “any day now” for twenty-some years

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

At the same time Isreal is like the only country that probably has nukes yet refuses to acknowledge it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

They're pretty open about it

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

weapons of mass destruction?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This whole thing still has me scratching my head.

Such a large portion of the West gets a raging boner about coming to Israel's aide. I get it from the strange doomsday cult belief where something about Israel at war triggers the rapture or some shit. But I don't really believe that's what the western world leaders actually believe.

Trump has his own reality, and only a divine entity understands what's going on in the space between his ears.

Ignoring Trump and the doomsday cult thing, the other things I can think of:

  1. US and Europe want an established western sympathizing military power in the middle-east. Some sort of remnant of the Cold war.

  2. US and Europe want a military western sympathizing military power with close proximity to the Suez Canal and red Sea, as well as the Mediterranean.

  3. The "Sampson Option" that Israel has is completely legitimate and Israel is ready to obliterate everyone if they don't get their way.

  4. There's some economic or strategic value the West won't acknowledge.

Even with all that, attack Iran? Iran is not remotely similar to Iraq. Iran will put up much more of a fight. It also won't be a "forever war" like fascists dream about.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because the fatwa declares: "Israel has a right to defend itself". Denying it is haram, and infidels must be punished.

At a certain point, it stops being about enforcing the fatwa, and becomes about defending your right to declare fatwas.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's really not that complicated. Trump is a bully and loves piling on to prove he's the alpha male. But he's also a coward (like many bullies) and is afraid to wade into something that will spiral out of control. So he's trying to subjugate the government of Iran using threats so he can get the satisfaction of the former without the risk of the latter.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Military control is power, and Trump wants to control the most powerful military in the history of the world. Nothing can stop him, except maybe the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH WHO SHOULD 25th amendment his bitch ass!

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