Why does Traitorapist Trump hate our troops?
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If you are all sick of this don't stop after we win the coming election, keep on pushing at every level. Take some devious, malicious pleasure in controlling our Government by staying united and rigging the elections by choosing a candidate together. Game the system with your pinky to your lips and with every new progressive and left-leaning politician put into power, swivel that chair and laugh.
Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, would scare the shit out of the trash-tier politicians more than us taking actual ownership.
I wanna sue church’s for making them voter sites. Separation of church and state!
I am sarcastic. Mostly playing a chaotic neutral role here but fuck it at this point
It's telling that people voting is a threat to him, why? Do you not think you can win if people are allowed to vote?
If just 5% more of the registered voters in TX in 2016 had voted for Hillary, she would have won. Voter turnout is a dangerous thing to both Trump and Cruz, as they're both up for election this year.
Ah yes the Zodiac Killer
Don't forget he also said if minorities vote, Republicans will never win another election!
Let's do the same with churches now.
Hopefully the dumbfucks suit will be thrown out for frivolity
Lack of standing. He is not a citizen of Michigan...
He shouldnt be a citizen of the entire planet actually but that hasnt stopped him from laying claim to various pieces of the nation
Also, there's that whole "states get to determine the manner and means by which they hold an election." If Conservatives want states like Texas and Florida to have the power to decide to "legally" only have one voting location in the entire state, they can't (yet) also go, "Except Michigan doesn't get that power."
Frivolity makes absolute sense to describe the suit as frivolous, but just makes it sound a bit too lackadaisical for my liking.
How about "vexatious litigation"?
Yeah but dumpfs penchant for animositous attacks does become laughable with its frequrncy
Making voting accessible? HOW DARE YOU!
There is no reason you should be against this at all unless you're evil.
Sadly that's true for a lot of things republicans are against. Fucking evil bastards.
I'm honestly confused what benefit this gives to evil people, I understand why closing them would be a bad thing, I just don't see what he would get out of it.
If they carry out voter suppression tactics in an area then it's almost certainly an area they've determined to be advantageous to Democrats.
is getting SCrOTUS to overturn the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 part of 'the plan'?
VA announces state partnerships to provide voter registration assistance to Veterans, press release, dated 20 Sep 2022.
Executive Order on Promoting Access to Voting, President Biden, dated 7 Mar 2021.
Okay so there's no real argument about why the RNC, DJT, and the MRP are bringing this lawsuit. It's politically motivated and they are dicks trying to prevent people from voting.
With that said my lay reading of the Lawsuit (22 pages, pdf warning) leads me to believe that the lawsuit has merit; meaning that they may be correct that neither the Governor nor the Secretary of State have the unilateral authority to add or remove VRAs.
So yeah their motivation for the lawsuit is shitty but this is "Rule of Law" type stuff. We aren't happy when Republican Governor's pull this shit and we shouldn't be giving Democrat Governor's a free pass either.
Okay so there’s no real argument about why the RNC, DJT, and the MRP are bringing this lawsuit. It’s politically motivated and they are dicks trying to prevent people from voting.
Honestly, I disagree. I think this comment rings true, that their motive is even more ulterior than just stopping veterans from registering to vote:
I believe this is about making as much of the election go through the corrupt court system as possible. They want this election decided by judges.
In other words, they don't just want people not to vote; they want the votes of people who do manage it to also not matter by manufacturing excuses for Heritage Foundation judges to throw them out wholesale.
Let's apply the same standard, then.
Let it ride until after the election, and then apologize and correct the mistake.
Trump wouldn't need to suppress the veteran vote so much if he hadn't said that only suckers and losers would die for our country. Armed forces used to favor his party.
Sounds like trump doesn't want veterans to vote
Veteran here. Donald Trump fucking hates us.
If you want to 'support the troops', vote blue.
Hi, I have a BiL in the Army (≈10yrs) who is an extremely confused libertarian who loves Trump and would rather crazy people be allowed to freely have guns than ensure his 5yo survives elementary school.
This is a genuine question, but do you have any tips for communicating with him? Maybe help him at least give some real thought to some of his positions?
I don't have any specific advice, but generally when trying to convince people of things it's important to remember that belief is largely social. Facts don't matter so much as group identity. We are all vulnerable to this. If they see you in the moment as being in an out-group, you're extremely unlikely to convince them of anything. If you can focus on shared group membership, like "we both want to see our kids grow up healthy" or whatever, that can work.
Like, if you try to convince a conservative to recycle via "it's good for the environment" that's going to ping as outgroup nonsense. If you sell it as "only america can turn trash into useful stuff", you'll probably have better luck.
The Trump-loving libertarians are a weird batch. Typically the trumpanzees I deal with are GOP, and my strategy is to actually talk up the LP in an attempt to use Chase Oliver as more benign trash can to drop would-be Trump votes into.
For actual libertarians who are already planning on voting Oliver, I point out that a fascist victory would be fatally damaging to every party except the fascists - 3rds are fucked right along with everyone else. Their best strategy is to nudge the current system into a model more conducive to a 3rd party victory, specifically via ranked choice voting so people can feel safe voting for a 3rd without worrying about the spoiler effect. To do that, they need to vote blue to keep the fascists out of power, as a vote for more time to refine their party of preference and preserve a political model that could lead to that party's victory.
Trump LPers are harder to speak to, to the point of being a lost cause in most cases, but I can understand wanting to give a little extra to help out a family member. Start digging into policy questions - less who he wants to win, and more what he wants to accomplish. Assess those goals, and consider if someone other than Trump would be better to achieve them.
This debate technique is called "steelmanning" and requires putting yourself in the other side's shoes, and building their side up in a way that's compatible with yours, vs the usual talking points nowadays, which are usually just strawman bullshit that will never get anything done.
Good luck!
Good ideas! I'll keep some of those in mind. He's not stupid, just incredibly naive, and it doesn't help that he lives in the big shadow of his special forces older brother and thinks (maybe subconsciously) he has to prove himself equal.
Because of his naivete, he listens to what the right wing news orgs say as gospel, possibly because he has a weak epistemic foundation. If I can manage to push through some of that bullshit, it might give him some space to form his own opinions.
I don't really want to change him, per se, but it worries me that he's so thoughtless; if I can help him learn how to put a little more thought into his choices and actions and see that life doesn't exist in black and white terms, I'll call that a success.
Vet here, also former libertarian, current father.
People smell bullshit, so ask genuine questions. If you have an agenda it wont work.
Ask about what kind of role he sees for government, and ask about situations you find troubling and what he things the solution is.
Ask about specific people you may know who are too underprivileged, young, old, infirm to be self sufficient and bootstrap themselves.
Generally give real thought to your opinions and ask him about his. You really can't change people by wanting to do it, you have to want to understand them first and then enter into dialogue.
Good advice. Thanks! I will try reframing some of my questions a little better.
Honestly, it will be tough with him. He's incredibly naive and not terribly introspective, but if I can find those points of agreement, perhaps he'll be a little less defensive on the outset. Doesn't help that my sister and the rest of the family are all liberal and leftward, so he's an island.
Sounds like something someone who did get captured would say.
Anyone who votes Republican hates us.
“undermines the integrity of elections by increasing the opportunity for individuals to register to vote even though they are ineligible to do so.”
The quote is false on it's face - they already know that ineligible registrants won't get processed or be on the roll to vote. They want to keep disengaged voters disengaged - nothing else, here except for maybe the dog whistle of "illegal immigrant voters!"
If anything, this gives me hope still in 2024 that the GOP are STILL trying to suppress voter turnout because they know they will lose the popular vote because their policies are fascist garbage and so are their politicians.
It’s because there are articles exposing P2025 for eliminating the VA and the VA compensation program. This effectively makes millions of veterans homeless, or have drastic reduction in quality of life due to money being cut.
For the first time in a long time, it looks like the veteran vote might not go for GOP, and (surprise Pikachu) the GOP is trying to eliminate the entire voting block.
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