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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Mass deportations of whom? How about a mass deportation of Republicans?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This poll is weighted toward older conservatives. Of course the answer is going to be what a conservative thinks. Lots of polls are doing this now, even though older conservatives are not the largest group.

There's a huge difference between an older conservative Cuban man in Florida and a younger Mexican woman in LA.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wonder how mass deportations would actually work. To me it sounds like seeking out undocumented or potentially undocumented people and detaining them until they are deported or can prove a legal status. It sounds like rounding people up based on some sort of identifying factor. How many people will get detained who shouldn't be?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The issue is that once the government has the infrastructure and networks to round folks up en masse, they can round groups of folk up en masse. That net will never be precise, so plenty of folks will get pulled in who shouldn't. That net can also be directed where-ever the powers that be decide, which is a real threat to liberty and justice for all.

And that's before we get to the part the ethics and issues behind our immigration policy in the US.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, but we’ll have the infrastructure for the next mass drag net of society. Sure, everyone expects that to be trans people… but those redneck morons don’t realize we have to take all the guns next. All the guns. The infrastructure will be in place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Exactly. Everyone's on the list, eventually.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We already are...

Y'all 20 years too late jfc

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How can we best get involved and support the cause?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago
  1. support net neutrality and privacy policies/laws. don't fall for the terrorist and children abuse tropes
  2. follow proper OpSec and protect your privacy online and off. this is complex and requires some changes in life style.
  3. switch jobs to get pay raises, this one is not obvi but if you aint got cash, you aint fighting... take care of yourself first, then start thinking bigger picture, family, friends, community, society. you need to be able to educate people around you and for family you have to pay extra costs that come with above choices. it is not cost prohibitive, but does require planning etc

But really we are fucked, my bet is that past the point of no return, time do this was around 2001 and nobody did it, fucking boomers (at least most of them did not do shit).

Just because the fight is futile, does not mean we have to give up any more dignity.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's a thing called illegal immigration, or people who immigrated illegally.

But Illegal immigrants aren't a thing.

And it looks like OP didn't just copy the headline or article:

Headline:

Majority of Hispanics Now Favor Mass Deportation

Article:

A recent poll found that a majority of Hispanic people favor the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. illegally.

The CBS News/YouGov poll found that a majority of registered voters overall (62 percent) would favor the government starting "a new national program to deport all undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. illegally." Thirty-eight percent said they would oppose it.

So OP, can you edit your title to remove the racially loaded language?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would you mind breaking down the difference between people who immigrated illegally and illegal immigrants? I'm asking this in good faith because the online discourse has gotten so toxic that I'd like to be able to flag it when I see it.

My current understanding is that the latter language is dehumanising by describing the person to be illegal in their existence. Usually we would say that someone has done something illegal, not that they themselves are illegal.

But to those with a short attention span the difference can appear academic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

My current understanding is that the latter language is dehumanising by describing the person to be illegal in their existence. Usually we would say that someone has done something illegal, not that they themselves are illegal.

Yep.

In general you want to describe people by adjectives and not label them as nouns ouns.

Sometimes it's different because the group wants to be called a noun (Christians) but that was well after they became the majority in Europe and was still used to shit minorities.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I know Hispanic, that came to the usa illegally and they hate immigrants. It's mind boggling... Selfishness is what it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

A few years ago i saw a guy on reddit who was hispanic and he signed all his posts with "hispanics for trump"

I was sure that it was a troll or bot or something. For the first time ever i went through a guys comment history because i was sure that when i go a few month back, it's gonna be russian or something. Nope, seemed like a genuine normal ass hispanic dude who hated immigrants

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My dad is the same. He arrived illegally in the 70s, got a factory job with pension, got his citizenship, and now supports tighter immigration control. He ate the fox news propaganda about the caravans and criminality. We troll him by not speaking Spanish to him and demand he speak "American"- he gets so mad when Spanish is not an option at a business.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Same with my Filipino dad who as a chef used hundreds of Mexican workers. When I was in grade school living in south Florida all the Brazilian kids would call all the other South American kids Mexicans.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

And you know they're in favor of mass deportations until it impacts their family members that are still undocumented. They just want other people's family to be deported. It's like all those stories that came out about white Trump voters who were upset about their undocumented spouse or their favorite restaurant owner or whoever being deported.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Gotta pull up those ladders behind you. It's not like those immigrants could have anything in common with your family, that also immigrated to the US with very little.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"Got mine!" it's the American Way

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Fuckin colonizers

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Well......the boomer way at least.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Conservatives really hate all other people, even the people they should trust.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

American politics have become a death cult. Millennialism had a much deeper impact on this country than I recognized at the time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Millennialism? I don’t think I’ve ever seen this mentioned before, can you explain?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Also called Millenarianism, it refers to the belief that a major change/end of an age/apocalypse is inbound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism

A lot of folks felt this way when the year 1999 rolled around and the "new millennium" began. For some it only got worse after September 11th 2001.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

According to Wikipedia, Millenarianism has been around for a long time, and it sounds like the Christian "rapture" is a good example. Your post seems to imply it's a recent thing (ie. 21st century), but maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to say?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not a recent thing but there was a pretty serious resurgence of it around waitforit the turn of the millennia back in 1999/2000, with a followup in 2012 when we all thought the Mayan calendar was going to run out for some reason. My observation is that these events had a deeper impact on world thinking than I realized at the time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

there was a pretty serious resurgence of it around waitforit the turn of the millennia back in 1999/2000

I know a lot of people have that perception, but it doesn't necessarily make it true. Do you know of any studies that have looked into this?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think they're saying the rise in "end-of-times" beliefs since the end of the 1990s has had a serious impact on American politics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That how I interpreted it too, but has there really been that much of an increase? The Wikipedia articles they linked doesn't mention any increase at the turn of the century.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah, that makes perfect sense. There’s been so many articles recently about millennials being able to buy a house, or retire, or do whether that my mind was primed to read it with that generational context even if it didn’t make sense. Thanks for the clarification!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

With over a century of vocabulary and terminology around these kind of social issues, it does get confusing in a hurry. That's why I try to stick to plain language and popular terms whenever possible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A lot of this confusion is beneficial to the ones creating it. Confusing and poorly defined terms means more people spend time arguing rather than insisting the problems get discussed and solved in a rational way.

People in power benefit from the confusion. While we fight each other, we're not fighting them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I have long held a theory that so much of the superficial orthopraxy demanded by various activist movements is intentional and designed to disrupt or retard actual action.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Notably, the poll found that mass deportation was popular with Hispanics, with 53 percent saying they would favor such a program and 47 percent saying they would oppose it. White people were more supportive of mass deportations, with 67 percent saying they would back the program, and 33 percent saying they would oppose it. Among Black people, it was 47 percent in favor and 53 percent opposed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You know what, do it. Let's create a fucken food crisis out of bigotry and racism. Who the hell do they think works all the farms here? Immigrants are the life blood of agriculture

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Anglo farm workers go on strike, and the replacements have been deported.

They send in the police.

Some Anglo workers have their own guns.

Meanwhile oranges are apparently cheaper in Japan, Canada, UK, Switzerland, and Russia than in the US.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/prices_by_country.jsp?itemId=111

Well done, bigots—enjoy you're even higher food prices—and paying Gen As even more to get your grass cut.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That may in part be an intended consequence. A permanent underclass benefits all mainstream politics in the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

at least their countries of origin start to get richer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We should be building those systems regardless. Also, dont accept defeat so easily. Find the moderates and fence sitters in your area. Talk to them. Show them the expert opinions, how closely Trump is mimicking dictator rhetoric and behavior. We beat him once, and we can do it again. But not if we just let the Democrats do their thing. We have to push this ourselves to the hand sitters. Also, if you can get even 1 no vote to change to Biden thats a victory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

Reminds me of "The Persuaders." Great book. This comes from a Guardian review on it:

By far the most fascinating and potentially useful case study is that of Anat Shenker-Osorio, the communications strategist for progressive causes, whose tactics, pegged to the data, have exposed a lot of shortfalls in leftwing political campaigning. Shenker-Osorio points out that when people get frightened, they skew right; when they feel compassion and common cause with their fellow humans, they skew left.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

5. If the 2024 presidential election were being held today between Joe Biden, the Democrat, and Donald Trump, the Republican, who would you vote for?

Among likely voters, including those leaning toward Biden or Trump

Joe Biden . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 49%

Donald Trump . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50%

Someone else/third party . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1%

Not sure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0%

The 2-party state lives on.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How can the support for Not Sure be so low? He's the smartest man to exist, and he solved the water crisis!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I'd have voted Third Party. Shame they're Someone Else's VP