It should theoretically be possible to set up an old school forum, train some ai bots on old school forum user data to get them to talk like morons and then boom, an old school forum full of computer generated shitposting. This way you could have a computer generated vintage internet experience from the comfort of your own home.
this post was submitted on 29 May 2024
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This reminds me of the old gpt2 and 3 subreddits, before this "AI" boom, and no one had ever heard of GPT. Every subreddit was condensed to a single user, with the GPT trained on only that sub. So you'd have things like TIL-GPT makes a post in the GPT3 subreddit: "TIL you can...." and a full comment section from from GPT users like Movies-GPT, WorldNews-GPT, PCMasterRace-GPT, etc.
Reading through them had the chance to be wild. When the posts would make just barely enough sense, but random enough to be unhinged.
I don't know how much was automated, or if people would toggle runs of X amount of new posts, or what. But eventually people made subreddits for posting screenshots of the best GPT's talking to each other.
You could always see patterns and then go to the real sub, and see how accurate they were. GPTs from gaming subreddits unironically posting circlejerks, from conservative subs being lowkey racist, etc.
I've been part of quite a lot of communities ranging from old electronics to silly song contests to cartoons with sentient objects (you can tell by my profile picture) to vidya games. Almost all of them have been incredibly fun at first, but eventually turned into shadows of their former selves. It's honestly really depressing.
That and we also change. What we find fun now won't necessarily be fun in a year, even if everything stays the same.
That too.
If the internet isn't fun for you, find a community on the internet that you actually enjoy being in. Easier said than done, I know, but the internet is a big place.
Smaller every day though, that's the problem
exactly. stats back this up. internet was far more diverse 10 years ago, now vast majority of traffic goes to a handful of platforms.
there's the indieweb movement, smaller sites trying to have fun, like neocities
Am seriously considering founding a not-for-profit to provide an ad free / spam free / bot free basic community. Would cost a dollar or two a month. Chief differences to the lemmy would be one account per person via proof of identity signup (I think this would improve behaviour and discourage spam), a single authority to tackle voting abuse and other things useful to be not federated.
Aside from that revenue would cover technical staff costs + hosting and the rest could go to some good cause. There's be no ads. No data selling. Not conflict of interest over how the platform evolves. Would be open source. Adults only.
Id keep it as basic as possible to try and capture the spirit of 90s fora. Am not even sure I'd allow inline images or vid.
Thoughts?
God I'd kill for a place with no trolls, politics, shit posts, where your allowed to disagree and have spirited discussions on topics but mods would step in before it becomes an argument.
I feel like everywhere you go online nowadays there's a `well ackwchullly' type in the corner. I'd love a place people can get together share ideas and joke around.
Long story short, if you build it they will come.
no politics
good luck there. especially with determining what is or isn't politics in the first place
amen. i feel like there used to be a barrier. now people get up in my face for drinking a diet coke, because it's a 'political act' because trump drinks diet coke, so therefore i must support trump.
It's insanity.
Something Awful charged :10bux: for membership and was a pillar of good moderation. It works.
They were amazing pioneers of shitposting and circlejerking but some people considered them something of a hate group for their callouts of specific subcultures. I'm suggesting that aspect of things that OP is describing isn't exactly new.
But yeah, agreed, the swift, stark ban policy was very effective in creating a "civil" society there - idiots showed up to fuck around, bam hope they've got 10 more bucks if they want to try again under a different account.
I don't really know where you're getting the idea that nobody can joke anymore on serious matters. I see it all of the time, go look at Reddit for example and browse r/news. There's always at least 50 people making punchline jokes on otherwise serious matters.
The problem is when people expect their jokes to fly in the faces of communities that explicitly state that they don't want that crap around. Then when the people who joke around are offended, in come cries about freedom of this and freedom of that. Dude, it's one community, cut it out and go elsewhere. Not everyone should have to tolerate your low-hanging fruit kind of humor.
And a lot of the time too, is that people absolutely DO NOT know when something is stepping over the line. It's the fault of the individual for not making the line apparent, but when they do, there's a point where joking is not warranted.
It's not one community though, that's the whole point, it's spreading to the whole internet.
Point still stands though.
If nobody finds your shit funny, they don't find it funny. It isn't because they're a "snowflake" or that they "don't get it". Not everywhere and everyone needs to hear your shitty jokes because you feel you need to "lighten up" the world.
People just want to amuse themselves and blanket it as if it's supposed to be some positive contribution. Who're you trying to fool?
True, there's a blurry boundary between censorship imposed by companies and self-imposed by new generations. That was my first reaction to the headline actually, if you take companies out of it, PEOPLE are just more uptight than they used to be.
Probably a chicken and egg thing really.
I think he's talking about off coulor jokes
Love this post
My feeling is that this is temporary. Currently there is a big fight about what is offensive and what is not. It is only logical that, when that public debate is still ongoing, people will have less tolerance towards offensiveness: we haven't reached a consensus yet on what we should tolerate in our online language. We as a species are not used to the responsibility of anonymous communication and the repercussions it has on how we act and perceive that communication.
Also, movements and changes most of the time go to the other extreme first, before landing in the middle somewhere. That's just how change often (not always) works.
That, or you're getting old and you're doing the "back in my day" thing. Could be that too. The world changes, language changes, jokes change. It's just part of life man.
Edit: welp, this apparantly is a hot take, when I thought it was quite neutral. I'm not saying we shouldn't stand up against offensive behaviour (my view is the opposite). It's that coming to a sensible consensus about certain topics as a society takes time. It takes time to convince people to change their ways, but it also takes time to not fight for extremes when you're having new talking points. Everything is balance. But in my attempt to keep it short I apparantly didn't convey much of that message.
I always find it weird when someone says they can't joke on the internet. I joke on the internet all the time, and I've been banned from 0 forums, Discord servers, or other social media groups. 1 subreddit, but that was appealed, and I wasn't even joking when I got that ban, lol
I've never seen the internet as some stuffy place where I can't joke around, or where I have to watch my tongue, and I've been using the internet for over 20 years.
I'm not going to accuse anyone of anything, though I do know that some people and communities have "old boys' clubs" or whatever they're called where their sense of humour tends to be saying things that shouldn't be said in polite company...things like racist or sexist jokes, rape jokes, etc.
The whole world isn't one big "old boys' club", and not everyone wants to see that crap. A big part of comedy is knowing your audience.
TL;DR, The internet is still fun. If it's not fun for you, then it might be your perspective that needs adjustment.
Yeah. I've had exactly 0 issues in the past decade. The only people I tend to get op's complaints from are usually lamenting that they can't use the n-word or hate on marginalized groups anymore and hide behind "it's a joke lmao". Op was too vague to actually say what exactly they mean by sanitization, but it IS eerily similar.
I have this neighbor. He is like 70+ yo, after a stroke and a heart attack, barely talks and walks..
Somehow, this guy still has some slapping sense of humor. How come he pulls it off and most people I briefly checked online history of can’t and more often than not are the same people talking “everyone is just too serious nowadays”, “no-one can get a good joke anymore, huh?” or “why they banned me? Again!”..
I am not saying this about OP, but I am starting to notice a trend.
Plus, yeah, being able to read the room (this in itself can be 10 times harder online), knowing your range and type of humor you operate with can definitely help. And sometimes.. sometimes it just doesn’t land at all — best lesson to improve or learn something. On the other hand, not everything and not every occasion or room has to be a comedic scene.
Volume. A long time ago, ten replies was huge, not a thousand.
Join the communities, follow the people, and start conversations where the world is still small, you'll find what you are looking for.
The filter is your friend, social sites are not the only sites (federated ones included), and there are many destinations to participate as long as you dont hunt for exposure to the masses.
Edit: Friendly reminder that IRC, web comics, and niche forums still exist.
Yet another example of the general enshittification of the Internet. I don't see it getting better anytime soon
Some pockets here and there are still fun. It's just hard to find them.
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