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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's not all quite as rosy.

Yes, Linux is much more capable now than it was 10 years ago and it's much more capable of being used as a main system. I myself have been using Linux as my main system for a few years now.

But it's also a fact that a lot of stuff might not work (even if it works for someone else) and that some things are still more difficult than they should be.

For example, on my laptop cannot wake from sleep since kernel 6.11. I have manually sourced a 6.10 from an older version of my distro and keep holding it back, so that I can use my laptop as a laptop. For someone without technical skill, this would mean that their laptop just can't sleep any more. Hibernate also doesn't work.

Another example is that LibreOffice still makes a lot of formatting mistakes when it has to open word documents. And sure, everyone could just switch to odf, but it's not quite as easy to make everyone else switch to odf. It makes it really hard to use LibreOffice in any kind of professional environment. Wouldn't want to make a powerpoint presentation that then looks like shit when it's played on a different PC.

Lastly, Nvidia sucks, but it's also close to the only option for laptops with dGPUs. When I look for laptops with dGPUs available in my area on a price comparison platform, I find 760 laptops with Nvidia GPUs and only 3 with AMD, all of which are priced at least €500 more than comparable Nvidia devices. So if you want to go for a gaming laptop, Nvidia is pretty much the only option, and under Linux it really sucks. Steam games generally work ok for me, but trying to use Heroic Launcher to play anything from my gigantic library of free Epic/Amazon/GoG games, about 10% of the games I tried actually work. And even with those that work, my laptop sometimes just decides that a slide show with 3 FPS is good enough. That stays even after reboots and resets, and after a few days it returns to normal. Only to go back to slideshow mode a few days later.

If you just use your laptop to run a browser, I can recommend Linux 100%.

If you want to do anything else and don't have any technical skills and/or don't want to spend hours fixing things that should just work, I can't fully recommend it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am a developer and Linux is my native environment in production systems. I wanted to use Linux on my laptop but sleeping / waking up never worked well enough. It could not switch from integrated video card to a discrete one ending up always using the discrete one which drained the battery in 30 minutes. All in all, it was usable but the details didn't work so I gave up. That was years ago and eversince no customer really allows Linux...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been a full time dev since 2012 and needed a Mac, I had barely used windows over that time but beforehand ran a PC service business.

Anyway, Ive been using Linux as a daily driver for the past 6 months for reasons.

... The other day I got a new cheap laptop I needed to setup for run a single application.

Holy fuck what a shitshow.

It took me 2 hours just to get to the desktop. Shit didn't work, bullshit login screens, ads everywhere.

It was a massive pile of dog shit.

After battling to get the system setup for the rest of the day I gave up, chucked Fedora Kinoite On it... Took 30 minutes from creating boot media to getting a desktop going, chucked the app I needed to run in a Flatpack, chucked it on a USB, and it was up and running.

No bullshit.

Just works.

Truly the year of the Linux desktop.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm guessing the cheap laptop was running Windows? You didn't mention, it sounds at first like you're saying you were using Linux on it.

What ads were everywhere? Why did it "take 2 hours to get to the desktop" - you mean, that's how long it took to install or something?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

People here so full of shit. I just reimaged my lenovo t570 with windows 11 took less then 10mins to install. Another 5 to remove all the bs built in software like solitaire Cortana etc and then another 10-15 to apply all windows updates. Bam done.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Takes a lot more to fully deshittify it, though. I've been down that road. So much registry diving, so many third party apps, strongarming uninstallations of bloatware through brute force, and just all around weeks of work.

When the screenshot shit was announced the first time, I just got tired of looking for workarounds to disable or remove Microsoft's active attempts of policing, spying, and triple-dip profiting off it's paying customers.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Install the IoT version, that comes without any of the bloat and works just fine. Not even the Microsoft store is bundled in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I have heard about the IoT version. I'd have to look more into it, but I doubt I'm going back now that I've learned so much about Linux. I can troubleshoot most of Arch without touching the docs or asking online now, so it really defeats the purpose of switching back.

I also enjoy putting in a little effort to get things working. That's the thing about Linux. Most people that daily drive it get a dopamine release from tinkering with it and fixing things, and I'm one of those people.

I know there has been a big "its for everyone" push these days, but its really not. So I'm glad the IoT version exists for those that want or need it.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

You can even skip step 2 by using one of the IoT editions (either Win10 or Win11) which come minus the prepackaged bloatware.

Microsoft is mostly interested in making everything bullshit for home users. If you convince them you're an enterprise customer, preferably by running up the old Jolly Roger, suddenly your life is a lot easier.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The end of windows 10 support is approaching. Windows 10 will go on for a while yet.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Call me when Libre doesn't suck/feel like it's stuck in 2003.

I won't hold my breath.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Look like you're already stuck in 2003

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Baby duck syndrome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Call me when Windows doesn't suck and it's not getting worse year by year. I will laugh every time they add more ads and more tracking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

If you don't like it, try OnlyOffice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The only time I use Windows is for Fusion 360

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish I could make parts in FreeCAD anywhere close to as good as I can in Fusion 360... I REALLY miss it since the move to Linux. I'm not anywhere near as excited about my 3D printer anymore since designing parts is a slog and the end result I am generally un-proud of. :( I feel like my only option (which sucks) is buy a second GPU for pass through and install windows 10 in a VM that only touches the internet once every 2 weeks to keep Fusion happy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s possible to pass thru a single GPU. I followed this guide on my Fedora desktop

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eTWf5D092VY

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I just rage-downgraded back to 10 a couple days ago. is there any reason why I shouldn't just keep using it after this year? are we ever going to see a risk for zero day exploits for it like happened for XP after it depreciated?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Consider running the LTSC version. It gets extended support.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

is there any reason why I shouldn’t just keep using it after this year?

You mean aside from all the reasons not to use Windows that applied even before deprecation? 'Cause there are a fuck-ton of those.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Unironically, yes. I was already aware of those and take them into account

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've had windows update disabled for years so the fact that it's "end of life" don't mean shit to me. It'll keep chugging along for years more.

That said, I installed Mint a week ago and love it!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

EOL means no more security updates, which means attack vectors don't get patched.

If you keep using a Windows installation (or any OS for that matter) that isn't patched regularly you are very likely to be victim to some malicious actor eventually. It's not manual hacking anymore, it's bots scraping the whole internet exploiting known vulnerabilities completely automated.

The risk is much lower if you're in a home network with NAT, where your PCs IP is not publicly reachable, but if you communicate with any webservices you're still vulnerable.

As example. If you nowadays put a Windows XP machine live on the internet with a public IP, it will be compromised within minutes.

So yeah. Good call switching to Mint, but please don't use unpatched Windows.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Mint was my first Linux OS, and it's been really nice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

What is the highest spec pc I am likely to find for sale when people realise it cant go to windows 11?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Installed Linux Mint a few months ago and have been dual booting. Hardly use Windows at all now.

Linux is exactly what an OS should be.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I really need to stop putting it off and install Linux on my PC and laptops

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I'm between living locations and can't carry my desktop around.

So I grabbed an old laptop and put Linux mint on it. It's been near perfect. Extremely smooth experience.

It detected my printer and auto installed. I installed steam and played Terraria without issue. Small performance problem but I don't have a GPU. Even works good with my docking station.

My only complaint is the audio device doesn't switch automatically when I dock/undock.

I'd recommend making a USB and boot into it for a test drive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How many laptops do you own lol?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Families exist. I'm the "IT guy" for 3 people using laptops

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Yes, exactly.

(Kinda unrelated side note: Nobody around me is getting that all these apps are STUPID and MAKES YOU THE PRODUCT. Just why are they critisizing without even trying them?)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (17 children)

I always find it odd that posts like this get any downvotes at all. Like, are people really that in love with Windows and or Microsoft?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because the people that would or can switch would already switch after it's been posted for the 1000th time. It's not realistic because the vast majority of people simply don't care. People hate windows updates enough as it is, to most average people this is good news.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Not caring is why these corporations have the power they do.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because mass recommending Linux to people with absolutely no nuance whatsoever is exactly why Linux users are seen as obnoxious and annoying. Not only does the website make no attempt to properly explain Linux it doesn't clearly outline its usecase. Its the very definition of the Linux user stereotype, blasted right in front of your face, reposted everywhere, and with a simple INSTALL LINUX and EVEYONE CAN INSTALL LINUX.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The first paragraphs on https://endof10.org/ tell you why you should install Linux followed by telling you how to get in touch with someone who can explain things to you and even install it for you. Most of them do it free of charge. I'm not sure how you can improve on that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because theyre eithet vauge, blatant lies, or not something people care about:

No New Hardware, No Licensing Costs

Most people are willing to buy new hardware, and nobody pays for a Windows key tbh. Even if they did it would be a free upgrade from 10 to 11. Also the terminology is very enterprise focused and objectively some distros (ex REHL) are paid.

Enhanced Privacy

Once again not something people strictly care about. In addition if you use Linux exactly like Windows with Chrome, Whatsapp, Discord and other non privacy respecting apps you're not improving your privacy by much.

Good For The Planet

The implication that carbon emissions is something an individual can do something about has been objectively disproven. For any meaningful change you need societal change from the top (especially corporations and rich people).

Community & Professional Support

Online Linux forums and chats especially for new people can be extremely overwhelming. Especially when a Windows user comes in and asks why something isnt exactly like Windows. Also once again movements like this is why people dont like the Linux community.

Better User Control

Most new Linux users not only wont use them but especially in KDE software will actively be overwhelmed by the amount of options and menus. Additionally what this critically leaves out is the fact that more advanced customization requires more skill and experience the more advanced it is. There is a clear skill difference from installing a widget in KDE Plasma to compling and installing a custom kernel.

Now lets talk about the things they should have mentioned:

  1. Less commercial software: adobe especially but most professional grade editing software for both video and photo does not support Linux (yes I know Davinchi resolve technically does but the Linux version is so awful you might as well not use it)
  2. Linux is not Windows or MacOS: Linux does its own thing, sometimes this is good sometimes bad sometimes its highly debatable (and Linux users will debate it). Because of that if you expect to use Linux exactly like Windows you'll get confused and frustrated.
  3. Package managers: Almost every major DE has a graphical package manager frontend, this is a good thing and should be talked about.
  4. Desktop Environments: Show what they look like, KDE Plasma and Gnome. It should be explained their differnces and who they're made for.
  5. Distros: Explain a few of the most common distros and who they're made for. Debian is the most stable but gets few updates, OpenSuse tumbleweed is bleeding edge, Fedora gets updates once every few months, Arch is unstable and not reccomended for beginners, Pop_OS is great for gaming (see ProtonDB for compatibility)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's because we've seen this post 1000 times

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

and yet you persist. why?

(sorry, this is totally a troll)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's because LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's getting downvoted because it's not realistic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I thought so too, largely on the basis of some very bad experiences with ubuntu-based distributions (they seem to hate my bog-standard RTX3060 GPU for whatever reason), but in frustration I tried one last time to install a linux distro and went with something based on fedora and it has 95% just worked, it's been great. I haven't booted up windows in almost 3 weeks, all my games work (battle.net was a bit of a pain to get working), the proprietary windows software I use for work runs great in wine, etc. I'm at the point now where I'm transferring all my files off of NTFS partitions and reformatting them to btrfs and integrating them into the linux filesystem, cause I'm done with windows forever to the greatest possible extent that I can be.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Nvidia Linux drivers are still kinda iffy these days but so are the Windows ones too

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I am greatful that Ubuntu ended up bringing the Linux desktop into the general publics eye, but at the same time out of all of the popular distro's today, I firmly believe there is always a better choice than Ubuntu for any user, new or veteran. It's just a pity that they are the most well known to people who aren't familiar with Linux while not being good at anything, although basically any Linux distro feels like fresh air when compared to the Microsoft experience.

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