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There are inherently more ways to imagine changes than to point at the status quo.
If there's an actual debate you've got to define terms. People's definitions of 'leftist' can be pretty wild, especially if the debate is between an American and... mostly anyone outside America.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan and the Jakarta Method who consider themselves leftist, while at the same time associate outright NazBols with the left.
So 'what do you actually mean by tankie/liberal?' will usually cut through a lot of debate perv noise.
And people love the no true Scotsman fallacy and constantly throw out that the person isn’t really this or that
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This meme reminded me of all the different flavours of Christianity.
Is this Anime Futurama?
(Seriously, wtf is this shit?)
Edit: Lol okay, they did a weird episode.
Futurama is gonna look so funny if they actually committed to doing Japanese-Style Animation for future episodes 🤣, like it'd be comedy gold.
It's the third bit from this episode. After the fantastic Death Note Simpsons parody, I wish Western cartoons that do anime style parody episodes would always have actual Japanese studios do it. It's so much more effective when it looks like the real thing.
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Look what they did to my boi.
The right opposes free thought and favors conformity to support the privileged few.
The left favors free thought and opposes conformity, because that would impede social progress.
Yeah, I wonder why one of those groups is likely to have public arguments.
The problem is not public arguments, but groups rejecting other groups for ideological reasons. I personally know people who are like "you can be a communist, or you can be wrong".
The reality is that there are left groups, especially far-left groups, who will already dismiss your opinion on everything for not categorically rejecting a (social) markets economy. Doesn't matter if you agree in all other points.
A fundamental disagreement on a foundational principle is going to be a hurdle, indeed.
That reminds me of a scene from Jean-Luc Godard's La Chinoise, where some members of a Maoist group call others "conformists" or something to that effect because they hold different views on the finer details of communism/socialism.
Not necessarily. Some leftists demand conformity in beliefs. "If you don't believe XYZ, you're a shill/neoliberal/fascist etc."
I feel like favoring free thought and opposing conformity leads to arguments, but demanding conformity leads to enemies (like this meme).
Some of the most authoritarian people I come into contact with on any kind of regular basis are “leftists” on Lemmy.
The ones in real life are not like that. I feel like Reddit’s moderation model really encourages it, and some of them started really taking it to heart when they came to Lemmy which copied that same model.
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The right is also driven by fear and hate. It’s easier to get coordination and conformity that way.
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I don't hate most leftists (or even non-leftists for that matter). I hate the kind that hate other leftists. The lemmy.ml tankies always complain that people who disagree with them are splitting the left, when they're the ones calling everybody who vaguely disagrees with them a liberal. Not purely an ML thing though, there's plenty of this kind of person in all camps.
But after they called me a liberal for supporting Ukraine, they said they respect anarchists. They must be our friends! /s
I think lacking self awareness is a requirement to be a tankie
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I would like more unity with people who share alignment with me. Except for anyone who has a slightly different opinion than me on certain issues, screw those people.
I seriously wish leftist unity was more of a thing. And no, liberals, I’m not talking about you.
Is this oneof those /s moments or a /r/wooosh moment?
Liberals are only considered “the left” in the USA. I am not in the USA.
Almost like different countries are unique with unique people, places and problems… but that seems to be a nuanced idea so you’d probably reject it
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Like you have a point, it just feels like it's against the spirit of the post.
I see liberals (at least in the US) as folks that mean well, but maybe aren't so informed. They can have a seat at my table.
Although I recognize that people can change. But those unwilling to are not welcome to me. At that point they stop being liberals anyway.
Any reasoning that is mainly centered around giving people specific labels, and then making sweeping generalizations about what everyone with that label does and why it’s therefore okay to hate anyone you have chosen to apply that label to because of things some other people have done, is almost always some bullshit.
Also, yes, it’s ironic that you’re posting this under their specific meme.
I totally respect having boundaries like that. Some folks just won't hear a word you say.
There’s only so many times that liberals can side with right wingers on issues that I care about before I recognize them as enemies.
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My money’s on wooosh but it could be either one tbh.
Kek
I fucking hate this dynamic
One thing the right is good at doing is falling in line, no matter that the agenda being pushed.
Yeah the flaws of leftists is understanding what they are voting for and not operating purely on loyalty.
This seems like sarcasm, which is valid, but what you said is also absolutely true. The primary virtue of the left is also its biggest weakness when it comes to implementation.
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Gotta maintain that rigid tribal culture so it supports whoever steals the leadership role!
That's mostly due to the rights belief in hierarchy. It doesn't matter if the person above you has different views than you if you believe their right simply because they're higher up the pecking order.
One thing I've always wondered, who/what decides their hierarchy?
Money
Thry guy who finds himself on top determines the hierarchy until someone supplants him ny whatever means.
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I made this for a comment (about small-data images, jpegs) days ago:
