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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The majority of these people that are visible online are likely just literal teenagers trying to deep dive into concepts they have no foundational understanding of and glomming onto whatever sounds the best to their 14 year old, completely externally enforced, worldview.

I 100% agree with this. I was actually confused for a long time by how people on Lemmy.ml are so universal about using the same types of bad thought patterns and arguments… they came across as genuine, individual people, not like some of the propaganda accounts that all employ the same lazy dishonest methods because they are literally just reading from the same handbook. But certain ways of looking at things and flaws in their critical thinking, all the .ml people just happen to share (or it happens to be really common for users there). It was really odd and I couldn’t understand it.

I have reached a tentative conclusion that maybe they just tend to be young or be really unfamiliar with reading critically or being rigorous about judging an argument… and that is why they are still comfortable on .ml. I think it is self-selecting. They wouldn’t be there if they weren’t taken in by certain types of failed logic, because that is the logic that is enforced from above over there.

I’m still not 100% sure but it kind of seems to me like that is what is going on.

Pointing out this stuff like this post does, showing how information warfare gets injected into discourse and hidden as real journalism, is the exact thing that causes this discordant worldview to stop holding weight. The more exposure this gets the less likely people will just take some report and form an opinion completely unaware that opinion is the manufactured outcome of the organization publishing that report.

Completely agree with this also. I don’t think deleting or blocking this stuff is the answer, because that will always be a temporary solution. I think vigorously pushing back on it is the answer for exactly the reason that you said.

Lies in public discourse isn’t anywhere near a new problem, and humans do have methods to deal with it. It just takes time and it takes a sensible community where some of the tools that can give traction to the truth can get some leverage.

So long as people are willing to care for one another and stand up against injustice they are not my enemy. Learn to identify and counteract the actual bad actors with information so that anyone who mistakenly comes across their viewpoint is immediately greeted by a counterpoint from a real person with a conscience.

Yeah. Even Trump voters, I don’t really think are “the enemy.” Self defense is fine, they can be deadly dangerous in the short run. But in the long run they are more than anything victims of that same powerful machine, and the way to save ourselves will be to save them from it, too, so we can all survive together.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

Romania is not the priority, just like the US is not the priority for Trump and France is not the priority for Le Pen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Hey Russia, how's that "it's unacceptable to be surrounded by enemies" strategy working out for you

Sure seems like everyone's super relaxed and letting their guard down, being okay with your chosen candidates as they usually have been, and et cetera

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

But then where will I deploy my AI moderator?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Well… that was not the variety of crazy that I had expected to be at the root of it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago

Yeah. I've started to get suspicious of people who go out of their way to tell you that they are bold leftist media, and they're bringing a needed perspective that is super-vital and not just all propaganda and lies like everything else is. It sort of reminds me of those bank billboards that say, "To us, you're more than just a number."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Update: It looks to me at least pretty likely that [email protected] is also Russian propaganda. Maybe they just wanted to post this thing, and are short of any of the critical thinking skills that would let them evaluate my argument that MPN is Russian when I told them it was. Mostly they seem to be posting pro-Palestinian stuff from reliable sources. But, the sidebar is super sus to me.

Until January 2nd, 2025 the 'WorldNews` subreddit, with 40 million users automatically subscribed, had an ‘Israel at War’ livethread constantly at the top.

This community was founded to dissent from this forced perspective, and present the Palestinian and anti-establishment position in general.

Fine. I actually completely agree with this, I took a quick look at some of the pinned /r/worldnews threads about Israel's wars and "wars" and they're completely full of pro-Israel bullshit. My initial assumption is that the inherent corruptibility of the Reddit / Lemmy moderation model has rendered /r/worldnews subject to propaganda from Israel, but who knows. But yes it's some bullshit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1h3nk2e/rworldnews_live_thread_israel_at_war_thread_79/

It's a little bit weird that they are pretending that anything on Lemmy needs to have this pro-Palestinian iconoclasty brought to bear, when everyone on Lemmy is pro-Palestinian anyway, but sure, whatever. Anyway, reading further:

This community is ‘AltMedia’ in the Mearsheimer and Walt sense. Not the Richard Spencer sense.

Not sure why those are the only two options...

And then below that is where it goes off the rails.

This community likes

John Mearsheimer

Good stuff if a little bit of an odd choice for the number 1.

Edward Said, Noam Chomsky

Great stuff

Chris Hedges

Well that's an odd choice. All I really know about the guy is some email list that gets sent to me that has his name on it which occasionally says some very bizarre stuff. For example "The internet, from its inception, was created to be a tool of mass surveillance. It was developed first as a counterinsurgency tool for the Vietnam War and the rest of the Global South, but like many devices of foreign policy naturally it made its way back to U.S. soil." He apparently used to be an extremely bold anti-Iraq War voice back in those days, which is obviously fantastic, but since then...

Hedges began hosting the television show On Contact for the Russian-government owned network RT America in June 2016. Hedges, who has claimed not to have known much about the network at the time, was approached to make a show by RT America president Mikhail "Misha" Solodovnikov, who promised him complete editorial independence.[44][57]

On Contact provided commentary on social issues, often profiling nonfiction authors and their recently published works, with Hedges aiming to follow the approach of former public television shows. On Contact was nominated for an Emmy in 2017, RT America's first significant award nomination, but the award was won by Steve.[44]

On March 3, 2022, RT America ceased operations following the widespread deplatforming of Russian-sponsored media caused by the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.[44] The run of On Contact ended.

Hedges supported Green Party candidate Jill Stein in the 2016 election.[44]

On May 27, 2020, Hedges announced that he would run as a Green Party candidate in New Jersey's 12th congressional district for the 2020 elections. After being informed the following day that running for office would conflict with FCC fairness doctrine rules because he was at that time hosting the nationally broadcast RT America television show On Contact, Hedges decided not to pursue office in order to keep hosting the show.[63][64]

Anyway. Back to the list:

Scott Ritter, Glenn Greenwald, Tucker Carlson

I don't recognize all that many of the names on their list. But, the people that they "like" that I do recognize that are in any way active in the modern day, there is a very distinct through-line (pretty much universal) about how those people feel about the invasion of Ukraine.

Anyway, YSK.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm shocked, I say.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

This site has some kind of malicious advertising that hijacked my phone refusing to let me close or switch to other tabs until I clicked its dialog boxes. Boo hiss

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

What the fuck

TIL. I'm so confused by this concept.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchy101/comments/142zr10/what_does_critical_support_mean_in_leftist_spheres/

What level in school did these guys reach that this idea needs a special word for it? Like yes, of course you are allowed to support one action or portion of something but still be critical of the bad stuff, or of that thing as a whole. That's... that's how it works. If you're not some kind of "YAAAAAY MY COUNTRY hooray forever" idiot, then that should be how you look at everything. You decide whether something that's happening is good or bad, and then you express your support or not accordingly. This whole thing where it is relevant in any respect "which side" is doing the good or bad thing, in order for it to be good or bad or whether and how we need to talk about it, is some State Department bullshit that has no place in a normal person's brain.

Do they imagine that there are a lot of people who go around uncritically supporting Ukraine / Democrats / NATO / whatever, just because they decided to like them? And that they need to distinguish that their support for their causes is the other kind? I kind of agree with the person who said that in practice it seems to boil down to "Fuck Putin, but Ukraine should just roll over and stop fighting" more often than not. I don't really know, but that is the only way that to read this that makes sense to me, the on-the-surface reading seems just bizarre and pointless.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 hours ago

Good lord. It's very bad. I like how the presenter clearly knows that it sucks, too, but he's required to go out and pretend it doesn't and try to hype it up.

 

MintPress News has reposted content from Russian state media outlets RT and Sputnik,[26][27] and is listed as a "partner" of PeaceData, a Russian fake news site run by the Internet Research Agency.[28][29][30] A report from New Knowledge includes MintPress News as part of the "Russian web of disinformation,"[31][32] and the site has published fake authors attributed to the GRU, the Russian military intelligence agency.[33] MintPress News defended Russia's invasion of Crimea, claiming Ukraine's post-revolution government was "illegitimate".[34]

On August 29, 2013, an unverified MintPress article attributed to Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh said that Syrian rebels and local residents in Ghouta, Syria alleged that rebels were responsible for the chemical weapons attack on August 21.[14]

On September 20, the Brown Moses Blog published a statement from Gavlak saying that "despite my repeated requests, made directly and through legal counsel, they have not been willing to issue a retraction stating that I was not the author. Yahya Ababneh is the sole reporter and author of the Mint Press News piece."[37][38] Gavlak also said the report had not been verified.[16][39]

Gavlak also told the New York Times that "There was no fact finding or reporting by me for the piece. I did not travel to Syria, so I cannot corroborate [Ababneh's] account" and that Muhawesh refused to remove her name from the byline because "this is an existential issue for MintPress and an issue of credibility as this will appear as though we are lying."[37]

MintPress added an editor's note at the top of the article stating Ababneh was the sole reporter on the ground in Syria, while Gavlak assisted in researching and writing the article. It said that Gavlak was a MintPress News correspondent who had freelanced for the Associated Press (AP) in Jordan for a decade. A note at the bottom of the story says: "Some information in this article could not be independently verified. Mint Press News will continue to provide further information and updates."[40] The Russian Foreign Ministry cited the article in future statements.[41][42]

In 2023, Randi Lucile Nord, a MintPress News staff writer,[60][59] admitted to spray-painting a swastika and the word "Azov" (in reference to the Azov Brigade) on a synagogue in Royal Oak, Michigan, in order to undermine United States support to Ukraine during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[61]

 

The Trump administration has been an ongoing constitutional violation since Inauguration Day. The courts are catching up. Specious arguments are having their day in court and are losing badly—so badly, in fact, that the Trump administration has adopted the tactic of slow-walking judicial and congressional consideration of those specious arguments. That development should give us hope and confidence that justice will prevail ultimately, and possibly sooner rather than later!

An overview—and acknowledgment of the courageous organizations and lawyers leading the fight

On Thursday, the Trump administration was retreating on two significant legal matters: The question of birthright citizenship and the ability of the president to “impound” funds appropriated by Congress.

The birthright citizenship case consumed much of the oxygen across the media landscape. Some of the reports (not all) suggested that the male members of the Court1 were sympathetic to Trump's arguments. Not so! Most commentators correctly noted that nearly all of the justices rejected Trump's argument about birthright citizenship but seemed flummoxed on the remedy of nationwide class actions. (More on this below.)

The question of what happened in the birthright citizenship cases is important. However, the emerging trend is of greater importance: The Trump administration is retreating on multiple legal and legislative fronts. Today, I will focus on birthright citizenship and Trump's unconstitutional effort to impound funds appropriated by Congress.

Given the complexities of the arguments surrounding these topics, it can be challenging to see the trendlines, but they are unmistakable. As to birthright citizenship and impoundments, the Trump administration is seeking to delay the day of reckoning on the merits before the Supreme Court and Congress.

The fact that Trump is seeking to delay a determination on the merits signals his belief that he will lose. He is temporizing, trying to delay the day when his house of cards will crumble.

Trump's retreat is a testament to the outstanding work of legal advocacy organizations like the ACLU, CASA, Common Cause, Asian Law Caucus, Asian Pacific American Advocates, League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), Washington Lawyers’ Committee For Civil Rights, twenty-two state attorneys general, and many others.

In addition, leading law firms and lawyers stepped to the plate to represent plaintiffs in the birthright cases, including Arnold & Porter (John A. Freedman, Sally Pei, Jonathan L. Stern, and Ronald D. Lee).

At a time when the largest and most powerful firms in the American legal profession continue to bow and scrape before Trump, firms like Arnold & Porter are rightfully highlighting their pro bono work as they deliver on their commitment to underserved and vulnerable communities. See the linked video on Arnold & Porter’s website for insight into how firms can and should step up to their professional and ethical commitments: Pro Bono | Arnold & Porter.

Supreme Court hears oral argument in birthright citizenship case

Despite worrisome headlines, I believe we have reason to be optimistic about the short-term and long-term outcome in the birthright citizenship case. There is much ground to cover, and others have done a superb job—so I will not retrace their steps. If you want excellent commentary with details, see Mark Joseph Stern & Dahlia Lithwick in Slate and Chris Geidner on his Substack, Law Dork. 2

Before looking at a few details, it is helpful to note that the birthright citizenship cases raise two questions: (a) Is Trump’s order denying birthright citizenship unconstitutional, and (b) Is it appropriate to block Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship by using a nationwide injunction?

The answers to the two questions are (a) Yes, Trump's executive order denying birthright citizenship is unconstitutional, and (b) Yes, it is appropriate to use a nationwide injunction to block the executive order.

The only question before the Supreme Court during Thursday’s oral argument was (b)—whether a nationwide injunction is appropriate. The Trump administration did not want the Court to address (a) the constitutionality of Trump's executive order denying birthright citizenship.

Trump did not want the Supreme Court to rule on the merits of the executive order because every court at the district court and appellate level to consider the matter has concluded that Trump's executive order is likely unconstitutional.

Although Trump did not want the Supreme Court to consider the merits of his executive order banning birthright citizenship, it turned out to be very difficult to consider the scope of the remedy, i.e., a nationwide injunction, without considering the merits of Trump's executive order.

And the single most important takeaway from today’s hearing before the Supreme Court is that there is little to no support for Trump's ban on birthright citizenship.

As Mark Joseph Stern and Dahlia Lithwick write

[N]ot one justice even hinted that they think Trump should eventually win on the merits and get the green light to start stripping birthright citizenship from immigrants’ children.

The good news is that the nine justices of the Supreme Court were able to see the bad-faith, disingenuous arguments of the Trump administration up close and personal. The US Solicitor General, John Sauer, made ridiculous and dangerous arguments that seemed to take the breath away from some justices.

As widely noted, Justice Barrett grilled Sauer over whether the administration would follow binding precedent. Suaer repeatedly said, “Generally, yes . . . .” In that context, “Generally,” means “No,” the administration will not follow binding precedent.

Sauer effectively told the Court, “The administration doesn’t have to follow Supreme Court rulings.” It was a clarifying moment and a personal affront to the Justices. They have now had a taste of what the rest of the world has been dealing with for the last three months. Good!

And Ketanji Brown Jackson distilled the administration’s arguments into a “catch-me-if-you-can” scenario in which every plaintiff must file their own lawsuit to challenge the validity of Trump's executive order. That approach leads to chaos and madness. And the only reason to adopt such an approach is to avoid the day on which the Supreme Court finally tells Trump his executive order is unconstitutional.

Inviting the Court to start down the road to madness and chaos as a way of avoiding a loss on the merits of a patently unconstitutional order again demonstrates the administration’s bad faith in dealing with the judicial process. Allowing the Justices to see that bad faith up close and personal is clarifying and helpful.

Perhaps the strongest argument was made by New Jersey Solicitor General Jeremy Feigenbaum. Per Stern and Lithwick, Feigenbaum

hammered to the court, pruning back these injunctions to the plaintiffs alone would mean that birthright citizenship is protected in 22 states but not in 28 others. “We’ve never in this country’s history since the Civil War had your citizenship turn on when you cross state lines.”

Suggesting that birthright citizenship as a US citizen would depend on the state of one’s birth is ludicrous and cuts at the foundation of the United States of America.

The Solicitor General of the US was forced to make such absurd arguments because the administration is desperate to avoid a ruling on the merits of Trump's executive order.

So, the risible arguments by John Sauer on Thursday are a sign of the administration in full retreat.

We have the administration on the run. We need to keep up the pressure, with the help of legal advocacy organizations and principled law firms.

Trump walks-back effort to obtain congressional ratification of DOGE cuts

The “cuts” by DOGE are unconstitutional. All of them. It is a bedrock principle of the Constitution that Congress appropriates funds and the president “faithfully executes” the laws that appropriate those funds.

By withholding (“impounding”) funds appropriated by Congress, Trump is violating the Constitution. Every day. That ongoing constitutional violation is a scandal that is being ignored by the media.

Trump is now seeking to avoid a confrontation in Congress, testing his ongoing unconstitutional conduct. He is again in retreat—because he does not want to know the answer that Congress will give.

Here is a quick example: On January 21, 2025, Trump withheld funds appropriated to USAID. A constitutional violation occurs on the first day of the impoundment. And the next. And the next, and next, and next . . . .The initial violation is ongoing until Trump complies with the appropriation mandate by Congress.

Now multiply that single impoundment by thousands of additional “cuts”—unconstitutional impoundments—by DOGE. Every one of those “cuts” is a violation of the Constitution that continues every day that funds are illegally withheld.

The media doesn’t care about this story. Or maybe it doesn’t understand the Constitution or the nature of DOGE’s actions. But the media reports the “cuts” as if DOGE has the authority to make them. It does not.

Cases challenging the unconstitutional impoundments are wending their way through the federal courts. Yesterday, I discussed the sweeping ruling by US District Judge Susan Illston that tees up the constitutionality of DOGE’s actions writ large. Ultimately, the courts will tell Trump that DOGE’s cuts violate Article I of the Constitution.

In the meantime, someone in the Trump administration came up with the “brilliant” idea of having Congress “ratify” DOGE’s unconstitutional cuts—thereby heading off a judicial decision that Trump has been violating the Constitution every day since Inauguration Day. See Talking Points Memo, Trump Allies Prep Plan To Make DOGE Seem Like A Good, Normal, Law-Abiding Operation.

As explained in the TPM article,

Republican lawmakers, hoping to save face with the public, have been asking the Trump administration to send in a rescission package in order to formalize the cuts he and DOGE have been enacting unilaterally.

If Trump were to ask Congress to ratify his unconstitutional cuts, he would need to identify the nature and amount of those cuts. In effect, Trump would be asking for forgiveness for his unlawful cuts when he should have sought permission.

[The 1974 Impoundment Control Act gives a president 45 days to notify Congress of the intention to impound funds, which starts a clock for congressional approval. Trump gave no notice to Congress about any impoundments.]

Asking forgiveness for the unconstitutional cuts would, of course, require Trump to identify the unlawful cuts and their amounts. The approach would effectively be a confession by Trump of his unlawful behavior.

Trump now realizes that asking Congress for post-facto approval of unconstitutional conduct is a bad idea—and so has withdrawn the effort. See Talking Points Memo, Trump Decides Now Is Not The Time To Make Republicans Rubber Stamp His DOGE Power Grab—Maybe Later.

Per the TPM article, Trump has decided to delay seeking approval for DOGE cuts by two years—which is the same as “never.” In truth, Trump doesn’t want to know whether Congress will approve the DOGE cuts on a retroactive basis (which would not comply with the Impoundment Control Act in any event).

To save face, Trump's surrogates claim that he will file a suit to invalidate the Impoundment Control Act. Such talk is empty blather by Trump. Several lawsuits holding that Trump violated the Constitution and the Impoundment Control Act will make their way to the Supreme Court long before Trump can challenge the Impoundment Control Act.

When the issue is posed to the Supreme Court, Trump's challenge to the Impoundment Control Act will receive the same derisive welcome as his birthright citizenship order received on Thursday.

Trump's “two-year delay” in seeking Congressional ratification and his pie-in-the-sky threat to challenge the Impoundment Control Act are signs of a hasty retreat.

Trump is losing. He knows it. He seeks delay to avoid his day of reckoning. That undercurrent runs beneath the Supreme Court hearing on birthright citizenship and his decision not to seek congressional ratification of DOGE cuts.

Concluding Thoughts.

There is more, but I hope I have helped readers to see beyond the details and understand that we are winning and that Trump is retreating.

I will hold a Substack livestream on Saturday, May 17, at Noon Eastern / 9:00 a.m. Pacific. Everyone is welcome. Join on the Substack App on your phone or tablet.

My conversation with Marc Elias of Democracy Docket can be viewed here: Democracy Docket x Robert Hubbell - Zoom. It is 30 minutes long but I hope you will take the time to watch through the end. Marc Elias and Democracy Docket are doing tremendous work in the defense of democracy. I was inspired anew after talking to Marc. If you want to support Democracy Docket, the link is here: Support Democracy Docket.

A final note on the Supreme Court. Readers have understandable anxiety every time the Supreme Court hears a case challenging Trump’s unlawful actions. The anxiety is understandable given the Court’s atrocious decisions in Dobbs and Trump v. US (and others).

But we should not shrink from pushing for Supreme Court review of Trump’s actions. We need to know which side of democracy the Court is on. While I have very modest hopes that we will receive some support from the Court, we need to know sooner rather than later if the Court will abandon us again.

If the Court does abandon us, we may need to change tactics. Let’s find out and move on. The Court isn’t going to save us. It might help us. Or not. Either way, it is up to us. It always is. And we are up to the task.

Talk to you tomorrow!

Daily Dose of Perspective

1

I am having trouble coming up with an appropriate nickname for the male members of the Court. Suggestions are welcome!

2

Chris Geidner’s Substack, Law Dork, is first-rate and deserves a better name! Chris has quickly become one of the leading commentators on the federal judiciary. There is nothing “dorky” about Chris or his analysis. I subscribe to Geidner’s Substack and follow him on BlueSky. (@chrisgeidner.bsky.social).

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