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Air Force Dumb

Qatar is gifting Trump a $400 million luxury 747 to serve as a temporary Air Force One, but experts warn that retrofitting it to meet presidential security standards could take years, cost hundreds of millions more, and risk national security due to potential embedded surveillance.

The current VC-25s aren't just repainted 747s. They're a pair of flying fortresses that must be capable of allowing the president to run the country, survive wartime conditions (even nuclear), and be totally secure from outside influence or intrusion. While the precise details of the current airframe are a tightly guarded secret, some details are included on government fact sheets or have been revealed in various media reports. For a start, it must have an in-flight refueling capability so the president can go anywhere in the world and stay up as long as needed. Retrofitting this to an existing 747 would be very expensive, as the feds would need to strengthen portions of the hull to handle the refueling system and reconfigure the fuel tanks to handle trim issues.

Then there's the hull, which is known to be armored, and the windows are also thicker than you'd find on a normal flight. The government would also need to build in weapons systems like the chaff rockets used against radar-guided missiles, flares against heat seekers, and AN/ALQ-204 Matador Infrared Countermeasure systems, or similar to try and confuse incoming missiles. Next up, the engines and electrical systems would have to be replaced. The electronics in the current VC-25s are hardened as much as possible against an electromagnetic pulse that would be generated by a nuclear detonation. There are also claims that the aircraft have extra shielding in the engines to help against missile fragments should a physical attack happen.

Next up are communications. Air Force One has air-to-ground, air-to-air, and satellite comms systems that are thought to be the equal of what's in the White House. There are at least two separate internal phone systems - one open and the other highly secure - that would need to be installed and checked as well. Then there are incidentals. Contrary to what films will tell you, there is no escape capsule on the current Air Force One, nor a rear parachute ramp, but there is a medical suite with emergency equipment and space for a physician which would already need to be installed, as well as a secured cargo area designed to prevent tampering or unauthorized access. As for the threat of embedded surveillance devices, Richard Aboulafia, managing director of aircraft consultancy AeroDynamic Advisory, said: "You'd have to take it apart piece by piece to stop a professional operator putting in lots of equipment to confuse things, like spare sensors and wiring."

"It wouldn't be in the air before 2030 at the earliest, long after he's left office and probably later than the existing planned replacements," said Aboulafia. "It makes no sense on any level, except that he wants a free 747 for himself. Nothing else makes any sense."

"What's sort of annoying about the whole thing is I'm not sure what's wrong with the current Air Force One," Aboulafia said. "Maybe if they gave it a gold makeover, he'd like it more."

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The real question is "what news is trump trying to bury with this 747 crap"

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

This is the stupidest timeline. We miss you Harambe

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As for the threat of embedded surveillance devices, Richard Aboulafia, managing director of aircraft consultancy AeroDynamic Advisory, said: "You'd have to take it apart piece by piece to stop a professional operator putting in lots of equipment to confuse things, like spare sensors and wiring."

What if the Qataris or Russia install a kill switch? Every time the president flies, it’s by the good grace of some foreign overlord. All that to fly in a plane that looks like some kitsch hotel…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That was my first thought.... please have a kill switch! A hypersensitive one.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I really hope Trump fucks himself over so monumentally on his quest for personal affirmations that he gets himself killed, or worse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t care. If the plane falls out of the sky, will that really affect me?

It’s not like this administration cares about secret information anyway. Hegseth

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

Really like this story. trumps greed is on full display because wants a palace so bad he can't even fathom that this is a bad idea at every conceivable level.

Shows he doesn't care about spending money when it's himself. Dossnt care about a gift from terrorist supporters. Doesn't care about the money it would cost dismantling that to search for bugs. lol.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Cluster B personality disorder being played like a stringed puppet. There’s no way this plane isn’t rigged to surveillance and doesn’t have a kill switch.

Most people run away from Cluster B. 76 million ran to it to no vote for a democrat. And now here we are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Q: Which Cluster B personality disorder?

A: Yes

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the bugging of the new embassy in Moscow. It's a cautionary tail in and of itself which relates to this jet.

Air and Space Forces Magazine: Cleaning the Bug House.

...“Mr. Ambassador, these are the plans that disclose how the bugging of your embassy took place, and these are the instruments that were used,” said Bakatin. “I want them turned over to your government, no strings attached.” Strauss was dumbstruck, according to an account of the incident he gave later that year. After years of denial, the Soviet intelligence arm was admitting its role in one of the most notorious espionage incidents of the 1980s: It had packed the new US Embassy office building in Moscow with sophisticated listening devices. The edifice’s structure was so riddled with bugs that some US counterespionage experts described it as nothing but a giant microphone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

tale*

Animals have tails

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

"It wouldn't be in the air before 2030 at the earliest, long after he's left office"

He's not leaving office. He fought against stepping down last time and everyone has given him more power this time. He will never leave that office while he lives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

He can't be prosecuted while in office so yeah, he'll do anything he can to stay. If he somehow is removed from office he's immediately heading to Russia and never returning.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

He's neither healthy nor young. I didn't know about his odds of leaving office, but I wouldn't be surprised if the plane isn't done until after he is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

You're right. Him accepting it and not caring shows he thinks he's never leaving office. Well done.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Which is why we should let him use it exactly as it is. Just don't tell him anything while he's on it, in case of espionage. He won't notice because he doesn't listen anyway. And let nobody else on it except his most loyal supporters. And of course Ellen Musk. So if it goes down, no loss to the nation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I mean he spews everything on truth social anyway what secrets could he have.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I know it's hopium, but if this ends with Trump in the middle of a smouldering crater, Qatar will give the world the best gift any of us could ask for.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

This is yet another reason why the president shouldn't be a king; he shouldn't be able to make decisions that influence his own security negatively.

The head of his security should simply say "oh fucking hell's no" and that'd be it. This plane could be sabotaged in a million damn near impossible to detect ways. It could be bugged in a million undetectable ways, it's a security nightmare.

If he'd still wanted a flying palace, it'd be way, way cheaper to build one from scratch and be safe and trustworthy than to test, check, and retrofit this one.

His head of secut should be able to override his decisions when it comes to his safety

Then again, this is Cheetos USA now, so I'd say please go for it. Let quatar spy and learn all the US's secrets and then when they're done with the useful idiot, let them execute him by crashing his plane remotely. The world, the US, it'll all be a better place without him and he'll be doing exactly what he wants, he's just too dumb to keep himself alive

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You know what? Fuck it, let him use it. Then we can all laugh when it quite literally blows up in his face.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The real dick move would be to dismantle the current AF1 so the next President pretty much has no choice but to use this monstrosity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He's taking it with him, the deal states it will go to his presidential library when he leaves office

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Aren't libraries supposed to have literature?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Will any patriot of democracy with a functional stinger rocket please pay attention?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"It makes no sense on any level, except that he wants a free 747 for himself. Nothing else makes any sense."

Glad to see this spelled out so clearly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Putting in a reasonable amount of effort to retrofit it will be ready around 2028.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Doesn't that make it a perfect fit for Trump?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly, he's already a walking security disaster.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

This whole story is just more "flood the zone" bullshit. They know this is a bad idea and that it won't work or won't work in time; they just want to manufacture another distraction that the opposition will lose its shit over.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trumps heard "free" and "jet" so he said yes. No complex thoughts will ever enter his mind about this transaction. He gets a jet and that is all that matters to him.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I agree 100. When Trump acts this way everyone thinks he's playing 5d chess. No. It is a grown manchild wanting a sky palace and doesn't care that his mommy is telling him no. He just wants it. Meanwhile nobody can imagine that anyone would rationally act this way so it must be part of some plan. When you just take Trump and musk and all these aassholes for what they do and say you won't need to come up with excuses. Yes. We really did vote this guy in.

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