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Yes, this means a ton of carbon ends up in the atmosphere instead of in the trees. The right move would be thinning and prescribed burns, but this administration isn't going to do that.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

didn't he say it would be like 0.5% of all federal land, or something.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One difference between the fascists and the rest of us is that for us, words have meaning, while for the fascists, they're only a tool for manipulation when spoken to somebody they see as inferior.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

tbf he may have said that for housing, but yeah, this admin is excessively stupid. They haven't exactly demonstrated competency.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The USA will resemble Russia, China and Mordor.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

A hundred years from now the planet will be in a pretty good shape, forests have been regrown and the seas will have been cleaned up and repopulated with fish, except for the US which is a giant hole. Not from bombs exploding, but from strip-mining the whole place for resources.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

🙏🏼✝️🔯☯️🕉️ Gods of the universe that ever existed real or fictional Please hear our prayers and please peacefully take this man home. His destruction is too much for the good people of earth to bear. Please consider taking Putin and Netanyahu too Than You. Amen

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

God here (taking temporary control of a random human as I don't have a mobile device, or thumbs for that matter): I gave y'all free choice - and I'm not talkin' 'bout the vote. Turn off the telly and go start a revolution! (or join an existing rebellion, if you prefer) All my love, God(s)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I’m agnostic but I had to try.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Vance would arguably be worse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

He doesn’t have the cult backing. I honestly think the cult would fracture

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

March '23 Trump gave a soundbite for his billionaire bosses about building "Freedom Cities." Clear-cutting national forests, then signing an order that makes the area exempt from regulation? Sounds about right.

If they're coming for all federally governed land, indigenous reservations will be on the menu as well (always are).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gee, why wouldn't I want to cede my country to American management and become the 51st state? You guys are knocking it out of the park, no pun intended.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Already bad enough here in Ontario with Doug "I'm a big Republican" Ford's Ministerial Zoning Order addiction, gutting environmental protection agencies, trying to sell off the Greenbelt, using covid recovery bills to get his dirt done, etc.

Any rein we've been able to keep on the timbit would dissolve into nada if we allowed the US govt to run their game here. I can't even conceive of much worse they'd make the tar sands in Alberta. 90% of the fisheries would just be trawlers digging up seabeds. Plus the dizzying amount of toxic waste they're already legally dumping here and in Mexico?

Elbows up.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Holy shit, America, you are so fucked at this point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

It only the damage was contained within the USA's borders.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I predict that any company that participates in destroying the parks will end up even worse off then Tesla. I've been a hiker my whole life and I've met a lot of retired military on the trail.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One would hope, though I have my doubts due to the wood not being a consumer product. People spend little time researching the next president, I would be surprised if enough people track wood sources to the point of being able to accurately boycott

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

They ain't talking about boycotts son.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Drill, drill, drill! Cut, cut, cut! Slash, slash, slash! Burn, burn, burn! You guys carry on I have to go golfing.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

RIP My first thought. Seems appropriate.

Just fyi, I'm pointing out Trump's similarities to an evil villain. I'm not using this to agree. I'm very much against this, having grown up in the woods (practically raised by my local forest, as my mother was an awful drunk and single parent) and I spent most of my youth walking through the peace and quiet of the trees.

I grew up with my mother seeing nothing but my father in me, and was abused for it. Those trees gave me the shelter I needed and I would have been 100x more a mess if I didn't have them. So no. Don't take my fucking trees en masse.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So I just want to chime in here as an outsider. From what I searched, national forests are different from national parks in that, extraction of natural resources from national forests is permitted for commercial and personal use.

Trump's order cites wildfire, insect and disease outbreak as the reason for this change (Biden also sought more logging to combat fire but apparently timber sales did not change much during his tenure). While I agree that forest management is important, Trump had also put tariffs on Canadian lumber and cut down jobs for national park workers. It's not hard to question if there are other motivations other than wildfire prevention in this context.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I live in fire country and I can tell you I have zero faith there's going to be any improvement to wildfire prevention. The "inefficient" forestry jobs have all been cut, and now the trails will be overgrown and the weather forecasts will be spottier. Imagine being in a fire crew in that situation, things will be more dangerous now. This is only about extracting resources.

https://apnews.com/article/doge-musk-trump-wildfire-firefighter-pay-firings-fe125ca00f74adbaf996aa23e5d7b408

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Here is a good blog post on the nationalforest.org website. Posted in 2013 (according to archive.org).

https://www.nationalforests.org/blog/what-are-the-differences-between-national-parks-and-national-forests

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

real estate development probably, if you think about whats going on in gaza, he wants to do the same there, build properties on untainted lands.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

So what you're saying is that he isn't using the trees to build properties, but using the land after the trees has been cut to build property. I can't imagine this would fly legally for national forests though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

guess we protesting to stop logging next

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