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[–] [email protected] 143 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Theoretically yes. This is an issue that has been considered before, though admittedly not with regards to fucking Greenland. Turkiye and Greece have long been enemies as well as members of NATO, and it's been considered that the invocation of Article 5 by the aggressed-upon party against the aggressing party in case of a serious war would, theoretically, be binding on the other members of NATO.

In practice, NATO is a gentleman's agreement with no means of enforcement. Everything comes down to political will - NATO is just an organizational structure to facilitate a response. It cannot replace the will (or lack thereof) of national governments.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Additionally, it's helpful to know the specific language used in Article 5:

Article 5

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.” (emphasis added)

Article 5 doesn't actually oblige NATO members to defend anything by force, it obliges NATO members to decide what actions are "deemed necessary" and then to undertake those actions. If a NATO member gets invaded, everyone could -- in theory -- write a sternly worded letter and call it a day (though I doubt that would be the actual response). As you/others have more or less said, the actual action chosen would largely be the result of political will.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Even during the recent occupation of Ukraine and the threat upon neighboring countries that are in NATO there was discussion about what-ifs, and how much gray area there is in such events. The core idea of NATO was about deterrence, much like the MAD of nuclear weapon buildup. If someone crosses that line, something has to happen otherwise the whole agreement is called out as meaningless. Article 5 leaves what actions need to happen open ended though, so assistance can be something as simple as persuading the attacker to leave via strong words. Which will absolutely be the first thing tried, as no one wants to escalate to the next level. Well, except the idiots who are attacking.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

To your point, I think the political will to defend Greenland will definitely be there from the overwhelming majority of other NATO states.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (19 children)

Will the political will to start an actual shooting war with the US be there?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah. The invocation of Article 5 for Afghanistan showed a mixed response from the various NATO nations in what support they would provide.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

It's not an easy say since Greenland is not a nato member, however it's an autonomous state of Denmark, which is.

Anyone's guess, really.

Edit: just as an addition I want to clarify I am trying to help answer the question. I wish peace for the world and especially Greenland.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Greenland is part of NATO just the same way that all other Danish territories are.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

But Denmark is deemed legally to protect its autonomy which is a nato country. It's a strange case...

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Probably? I don't think anyone knows for sure. It's not like NATO countries have invaded each other before.

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