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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (8 children)

The problem I've found with the "Buy nothing days" is that it's not really encouraging buying less. With the possible exception of a few in the moment things, it's really just pushing purchasing to the day before or the day after. Someone seeing economic data for that specific day might notice something, but even just factor in the day before and the day after and it's not going to make much of a difference. It didn't cost the corpos anything, so they won't even notice.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I keep saying exactly this. It needs to be longer than a week and it can't be things like groceries or you're basically asking people to starve. And so many people who are supposedly fighting for the less well off don't seem to get "living paycheck to paycheck" and the idea that working 5 days a week and taking care of yourself/kids means that when you shop is largely dictated by factors out of your control. Its got "oh, just make your coffee at home to save up for a new house" or "blame the average person for climate change and not the massively polluting corporations" vibes.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What do you mean by "ground level infrastructure?" Like educating people? A forum for communication? Everyone is on social media and social media is censoring that stuff. Civil rights era people eere in churches because those were the social venues of the day.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Ground level infrastructure meaning the ability to get people out to do anything from marching to rioting to picketing to canvassing to voting. The Civil Rights movement wouldn't have gotten anywhere if it hadn't actually mobilized people and thus made people aware of / afraid of organized resistance. The Black Panthers deserve a lot of credit as well for being the armed hard core of the movement.

We'd get a lot more of what we want peacefully if oligarchs were afraid we'd rally and fuck up their businesses bottom lines AND that they might get assassinated by radicals.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Yep. The best way to affect change is to make yourself a threat to power if your demands aren't appeased. Protests by themselves aren't effective in doing so.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Man this is something I struggle with outside of politics too

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What is not usually mentioned is the psychological effect protests have on the people attending. The feeling of being one of many who care about an issue gives people hope and energy to keep tring to change it.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

hah ! that's almost a cargo cult

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not almost. It is. Cargo cult activism.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Great thought that made me shuffle in my seat a bit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is why I stopped showing up to protests after 10+ years of showing up to protests. I will attend the next (first) protest that happens outside a mansion or gated community however, even with my health problems.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Rule number 1 of protesting is always that if the protest can be suffered or ignored, then it will be.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The key to non-violent protest is that you don't plan on going home afterward. You go, you stay, and you don't leave -- until somebody drags you to the jail, the hospital, or the morgue.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The key to nonviolent protest is that they have to be an alternative to violence - in other words, both sides must be fully aware that either nonviolence works or violence follows.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't think that's fair, the fact that enough people care enough to show up and protest can have an effect by itself.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, and it can have an effect on the people doing the protest. I was supposed to go to dinner on 2/28 with four people. I canceled that morning when I realized it was “buy nothing” day (and told them why). Those four also canceled and became curious about where to learn more about protest movements. We’ve now committed to supporting each other to escalate our efforts into more impactful actions. So, keep in mind some protests are more about rallying the troops, creating cohesion, educating, and supporting each other than impacting direct change with that particular action. Protests are just one tool in the arsenal.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Often that's only if those in power worry there will be consequences for the protests being ignored. It could be as simply as worry about being kicked out of office, damage to property, or damage to them or their family (such as Republicans staying in line with Trump because of worries about stochastic terrorism).

[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I grew up in a protest to save my neighborhood from being demolished for a highway.

What the news reported was the protests in front of city hall to finally convince them to move the highway.

What you didn't see was the incredible legwork getting dozens of local businesses to support us. Getting bake sales in schools to fund billboards. Doing social disobedience by blocking traffic and having people arrested. Disrupting city hall over and over and over. This was my life for months.

And it finally worked.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

It's easy to imagine yourself as a hero with a molotov cocktail. Not as much fun walking door to door with a petition.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago

Can't let people know where their power lies. If enough people believe in the ritual magic of peaceful, ignorable protests, then they will justify violence against protestors who actually put real pressure for change and the system can just overlook acts of violence against protestors rather than having to actually commit them itself.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

Fight the power. ✊🏿

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