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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago

And you know he’s escalating because his narcissistic personality hates being told no, especially on such a public stage.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Why do we want Greenland anyway? It's the icy one, right?

No but serious question. What value does it have?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It looks big on the map, trump thinks he's about to gain 50% more land for america

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Resources, north sea access, missile defense.

It's dumb but with climate change it's valuable territory, geopolitically.

The stupidity is we already have all the military stuff we need there, and long standing agreements.

It's also Denmark's so we should fuck off.

In addition to it not being for sale, Annexation is bullshit because it doesn't provide proper representation to those that live there. The whole country was formed with ideas of representation and taxation in mind (albeit quite imperfectly). Anywhere the US flag flies, those under it should get full rights and powers as a citizen.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Mineral and oil extraction made easier by global warming. But the real prize is open shipping lanes over the Arctic.

Here's a great break down of the economics:

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2Ffinance-and-economics%2F2025%2F01%2F23%2Fthe-arctic-climate-changes-great-economic-opportunity

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago

Well that's nice and all, but IMO the real reason is Trump got laughed at last term when he suggested buying Greenland, and now he has to buy it to show how good of an idea it was and that he totally wasn't upset by the mocking. Like when you tell a toddler not to do something and they immediately start doing it more.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

Well damn this is depressing. Leave it to humans to capitalize on a dying earth.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

The US congress must approve a declaration of war. Here is to hoping that there are enough sane senators left. Nobody wants this war, but if Europe doesn't stand up to bullies, we're doomed to be taken advantage of further. This is a challenge that will define a generation of European leadership.

I also find it delightfully ironic that the US now risks invading Denmark and it's up to the rest of EU to stand up against it when Denmark spied for the US on the rest of the EU between 2012 and 2014 and were caught red handed.

Just goes to show the old lesson of what the US does to its allies once they're no longer useful.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Iraq War proved that Congress doesn't have the balls to insist on that point of order.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

And Korea, and Vietnam, and...

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He has his loyalists in power. No one to say no to him and that will follow his orders.

He cycled through a lot of staff last time round

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Why does everyone keep taking Trump at face value? His security concerns are a cover for the resources American companies want to extract from Greenland.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Moreover, it is possible that this is one of his hander's favourite strategies. He's making a lot of smoke about the whole Greenland thing, so he is trying to bury something bad in the news. Potentially how staple item prices are going to skyrocket in the US when your oil, lumber and more than half of your raw minerals cost 25% more.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The ones Greenland offered to negotiate a deal for?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Yeah. This is 1800's banana company level stuff.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Don't need a deal if you just steal it.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I wonder what the real problem play is here.

  • Distraction to soak up outrage and attention?
  • Actual desire to take Greenland because they global warming will unveil riches beneath the ice?
  • Naively thinking NATO will abandon the USA as quickly as Trump would abandon NATO?
  • Thinking they can divert NATO defenses to Greenland instead of Ukraine?

No scenario seems like a smart play but that’s MAGA for you.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Its a smart play for china.

China will be happy to pump this with trump.

Trump will happily be told by china he can have it if they can have Taiwan. He won't care about the second part, just hearing he is ok to proceed will send him signing orders

Then Europe/NATO will object complain, block fight etc.

Suddenly dollar isn't the Petro dollar anymore because of their stability issues. China will step up and trumpet themselves as the stable one so use them.

Once Petro dollar isn't USA anymore all hell breaks lose economy wise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

1 seems the most likely to me. 2 won't be relevant for at least another 60 years or so, 3 I hope is not true, 4 seems absurd to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Other post on topic had comment on new shipping lanes near Arctic thawing and already being used by Chinese ships illegally and the rich fucks want control.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • Dementia-addled brain latches onto a stupid obsession for random reasons and everyone ends up trying to figure out what 4-D chess move is really behind it.

It's still a problem the world needs to deal with, but I don't think it's as deep as everyone thinks.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

...just give him a sharpie and let him doodle on a big wall map; problem solved...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

I agree. He just wants to have it because he floated the idea once and people disagreed with him. The dangerous part is when it eventually becomes an embarrassment to him because Denmark and the EU won't budge.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

I think that invading greenland is an effective way to destroy nato. Russia and China would be pleased.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

taking greenland will just a easy simple step in making a list of names of all the people who would stand up/protest, before he starts all the actual wars in the middle east

[–] [email protected] 142 points 3 months ago (7 children)

...Trump took the unprecedented step of refusing to rule out military action to take territory from a Nato ally...

what. the. fuck.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (3 children)

i'm guessing that ~~he~~putin thinks that doing so would be enough to break apart the alliance or get the u.s. kicked out.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

"Heputin" is how I'll be saving space and time moving forward.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That would definitely do it. With the way Trump is talking Denmark might end up being forced to expel the US military from Thule to avoid a Chrimea scenario.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I hope NATO responds… but is this partially an effort to weaken and distract NATO so it’s easier for Putin to have his way with Europe?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago

Very likely to be.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No one dares to say something.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

The handlers will just let Donny play in a protected playpen and scream and shout all he wants and they'll throw in a stuffed toy or a plastic toy he can easily break and get his frustrations out.

The problems will start when little Donny will start to get out of control and start pushing buttons he isn't supposed to have access to.

Hopefully, the Nuclear Football is baby proofed enough to keep us all alive.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Was it paywalled? I didn't notice anything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Ah. I think I made a ublock filter for it in the past and forgot.

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