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I'm done holding out hope for the United States. My president is trying to erase my existence, I'm gender non-binary, and he is trying to force me back into the office, I'm a government employee. There are other reasons too but this has been the breaking point.

I don't even know the first thing about leaving the country other than knowing that I need a job in that country. I don't really have money and I don't plan to run away from my debts either. I don't feel like I'm safe here. I have a wife and child too.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I did make another comment. I’m making a new one because there’s some things I want to add.

The first thing I would look at is what ideals or freedoms are you looking for? Then start looking for countries that match those ideals.

In my other comment, I said get an attorney. Let me follow up on that one. It isn’t I would suggest get an attorney. I would say have to have an attorney. I can’t tell you the number times I’ve heard attorney say a client went into a courtroom, tried to talk to a judge, said exactly what they were supposed to say did exactly what they were supposed to do, and the judge ruled against them. Then the attorney goes in and says the same thing and the judge rules in favor. It’s just the way the system is so I would you basically have to have an attorney. So I would talk to several attorneys and find out what would it cost beginning to end For you to be able to live in that country.

They will probably only be able to give you a ballpark number. Whatever number they give you don’t act shocked just say I thank you and appreciate the information.

As far as cost if you didn’t have the money. GoFundMe. That’s my best answer for you.

Even if the first go fund me, doesn’t get you enough money you just take that money put it in the bank. Then do another one.

I would suggest advertising the hell out of it. Now this one is gonna sound weird, but it might actually work. Find conservative based websites and advertise it there. Be honest about who you are. Then say you want to leave the country and you’re not coming back, but you don’t have the to be able to do it. Not all conservatives hate trans people but there are some that do and they wanna make them leave. Use that in your favor. Expect to get a lot of hate mail, but nothing says you actually have to read the comments. Maybe you can get some money from them. Like I said it’s a strange idea, but I could actually see it playing out , maybe not too large scale But any money is better than no money.

The question that I don’t really know here is whether or not when you are leaving is if you’re going to give up your American citizenship. If you plan to give up your American citizenship, then put that into the GoFundMe page. Put that into your advertisement when you’re trying to advertise .

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Why would you get an attorney? Why?

And why would they want to trigger a shitmagnet?

It just sounds like 2 bad advices to me. As others said: find a country that fits your views and hunt for a job. A good employer will even help you move, you have to be lucky with the opportunity though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Why would you want to get an attorney? Have you ever tried to migrate from one country into another? It’s not a fun process there’s a butt load of paperwork, attorneys know who to talk to where to go what paperwork to get. If for any reason there’s a legal issue, the attorney is going to see it from a mile off, long before you ever realize there’s even a problem and be able to fix it.

They are also going to be able to give you legal advice about that new country such as common misconceptions about that country, legal system or issues that people who immigrate from the US into that country don’t realize.

The attorney is going to have a wealth of knowledge for you to make your transition to that new country easier. Even if the Attorney may not know it off the top of their head as to how to solve it. They will know where to go to get the information.

Why would you want to trigger a , in your words, shit magnet, Sometimes shit magnets are willing to hand you cash to get rid of you. Not often , but even if all you get out of it is a $10, it’s $10 you didn’t have before.Take the money where you can and run like hell.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I think you overestimate attorneys. I don't think an attorney will be worth the money and I don't think they will know any better than you if you do your basic research and yeah I have moved twice myself.

Moving abroad should not trigger anything illegal such that you need to cover yourself beforehand with an attorney.

If something goes wrong you get your right to move denied. If it goes right, the local authorities can support you, I would not put my money on an americam attorney. And yeah, no, let's agree to disagree on your second advice, I would not risk online harassment for 10 bucks lol.

But this is just my opinion, happy to be proven wrong, an example would suffice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

How far back do you trace your closest immigrant ancestor to the US? Some countries have blood citizenship, meaning that you may be able to claim citizenship if you are within a certain number of generations of a citizen of another country.

Other than that, the advice others have shared is better. Focus first on getting to a blue area of the US, figure out what you'd like to do from there.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Much easier and safer to move to a safe blue city in the US. Sanctuary cities are not going to tolerate Trump bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

This post comes across more as panic than serious consideration. Start planning, consider where you want to move and what changes to your life you are willing to make. If your sole reason for moving is trump bad and you don't have a large amount of disposable income, consider the fact that it may take longer than 4 years to sufficiently prepare.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

The others have given good starting points.

I'd say get an attorney to help guide you through the process. Can make things go smoother

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean, the most likely scenario was to marry a citizen of some country. Example: marry an EU citizen and get a visa to one of the EU countries, learn that country's language, then take a test and become a citizen of that country, which would also get you EU citizenship along with the country's citizenship, and you'd get access to most of Europe via shengen area.

But since you are already married...

Your options are either:

  • Be rich enough to fund a bussiness in a EU country. And you said you don't have the money so... next
  • Be a "skilled worker". Do you happen to have a skill that countries are in demand for?
  • Do you have any relative that are close enough in relationship to you in some other country that can sponsor an immigration visa?

I mean I don't think many countries are accepting LGBT+ refugees yet, most of the world is still considering the US as a democracy, therefore they would likely deny asylum status.

While moving to another country is probably the safest option, you might not have the oppportunity to do so. Meanwhile, your best course action is, if you aren't already in a blue state blue city, move immediately. Then contact the ACLU for advice. I don't wanna sound like a gun freak, but you might want some firearms to protect yourself. (As in: Defence against potential Maga freaks, don't actually use it against law enforcement, that'd end badly)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Each country is different, but you are going to have to look at how you can immigrate to certain countries. Some countries let you apply for jobs beforehand, other countries only want you to get a job after you move.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Outside = the whole world.

But the the whole world is different from the whole world.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

West coast best coast. If you know how to be govt sloth you can be govt sloth in any of the cities / counties /state govt agencies. Just use the 2024 presidential election map to figure out your 'no go' areas.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago

First, decide where you would want to go. In the knowledge that I have learned previously (I worded it like this because it's subject to change), Ireland is a pretty easy place to immigrate to. Not Northern Ireland, but The Republic of Ireland. North Ireland is part of the UK and while the requirements to go there can be met, Ireland is easier than that, but I digress...

Once you figured out where you want to go, start looking for jobs in country. Depending on what type of GS employee or contractor you are, there's a good chance that there is a demand for it in different countries. Essentially, just job hunt.

Now, a personal suggestion I would like to make is if and when you interview, do not mention that your trying to leave the country due to political strife. Say something along the lines of "I wish to experience a life outside of the United States, and would like for my child to be versed in different world views, opinions, and cultures".

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Digital nomad VISA seems the easiest way to relocate overseas. You might be able to even work for a US company. Digital nomad VISAs basically say, "We'll let you live here, but you need to telecommute."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Is this an actual visa type? I was a digital nomad feom 2009 to 2011, and since it was all in the schengen area I just considered myself a tourist when it came to immigration.

Fun fact: In Czech Republic I had to register with the police since I was staying so long. No fingerprinting or anything, I guess they just needed a record of me being there in case someone from the old country filed me as missing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

It does exist now in several countries. Mainly came about during/after COVID.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Beware though, many of those are limited to a small number of years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've read they can be renewed depending on the country but not forever. Eventually you'll need to apply for a regular VISA.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Most of them explicitly do NOT count against residency.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Look for visa opportunities for your citizenship. This may be the most fruitful. Also Look at work visa requirements for potential destinations. What’s your line of work? Are there opportunities elsewhere?