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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Gee, I wonder why? Perhaps xenophobia and open hostility towards foreigners isn't good for the tourism industry? Who could have possibly foreseen this outcome? 🤔🙄

I expect this trend to continue if the federal government moves forward with it's plan to charge foreigners more money to visit national parks. One of the objectively best things about our country is our vast natural beauty protected by the federal government in perpetuity, and the national parks system is one of the few institutions that turns a profit every year and we still have the dumbass-in-chief trying to fuck that up too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

our vast natural beauty protected by the federal government in perpetuity

Well, for the moment, anyway....

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You mean Trump is bad for business?

Which means all those people saying he'd run it like a business are....stupid?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Well, the idea of running a Constitutional republic "like a business" is stupid for a whole lot of reasons, but having Taco run it like one of his "businesses" is....next-level stupid.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

You're literally imprisoning tourists for the most minor shit, you silly dickheads. Of course that's going to cost you money.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's a bit dangerous to come to the states right now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Especially if you hate cheeto and complain about him online.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

No idea why a European would ever want to come here. The travel options there are much better and cheaper. Oh and you won't get thrown into a foreign prison.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Aside from politics, the US has a ton to offer for someone that wants to experience the world. The Rockies, Appalachian trail, Great plains, deserts, huge rivers and lakes, and a bunch of other natural beauties. Not that mountains and bodies of water don't exist elsewhere, but when it comes to nature, there's something for anyone that likes being out doors.

From a tourist side of things, places like Disney World, Universal, Las Vegas, New York City, and others just don't have the same thing elsewhere. I'm more into the nature side, but lot's of people really enjoy the big cities and amusement parks. The Rockies also offer some of the best snowboarding and skiing in the world, and there's only 1 Appalachian trail.

Too bad politics makes all of that less safe for foreigners and is actively enshitifying nature.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Throwing aside the current administration... There's so much to see in the US. All the national parks and other sights. It's a roadtripper's dream. One of the most diverse countries as far as landscape and climate is concerned. We have Disneyland in Europe (Paris), but there's Disney World in Florida which is way bigger (never been to either, not THAT big of a fan myself, but I know there's loads of Disney fans). NYC, LA and SF are all great cities to visit I hear, though I've only been to NYC (lots of fun - there's so much to discover just by walking around)

Now as a foreigner I'm slightly scared of the current admin despite being pasty white, so I'm not going to visit again anytime soon. But one day I would like to come back for sure. Until then... I do still have a LOT of Europe to discover as well, I've only spent any real time in my neighboring countries, others I've visited very briefly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

All those national parks are on the chopping block too now. Unless major changes happen it won't be worth visiting in 10 years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Throwing aside the current administration...

That's not true, I noped out after they want pants on head insane after 9/11, you're just seeing that amped up now. People just normalised it as they will this.

I spent quite a bit of time there and lived their briefly early this century but havent been back since.

There's so much to see in the US.

Agreed but the worlds big place and lots to see

It's a roadtripper's dream.

Or nightmare because you're forced to use a car, train travel is laughable and walkabilty is ridiculous in most places.

But to be fair for environmental and carbon emission reasons I don't fly anymore and try not to drive unless it's essential.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Slightly off topic, but If you have the time to travel; may I suggest looking into Interrail if you're not already aware of it. An interrail pass would be the European equivalent to an american road trip imo.

One train ticket helped me cover places like Portugal, Spain, and Italy, all the way through to Switzerland and onto Hungary, Poland etc and back home all over the course of two weeks.

I was backpacking solo, so just looked up hostels in whatever city i ended up in on the day. But you could just as easily use it to plan a family itinerary. The actual ticket lasts a lot longer than a fortnight too; I'm just a slave to the machine and couldn't get more time off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

I will once they finally build rail baltica lol, otherwise I'd need to fly anyway, or drive which makes luggage more convenient

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I had a Finnish friend visit me in LA a few months ago and he had an absolute blast. There are still plenty good people and things to do and see in the US.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I live in the US and I still haven't visited LA. The US is fun but right now we are just "not cool".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Oh definitely not. We're blisteringly uncool sadly

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It is risky to come here. You anything besides English and you could be having to deal with ICE and get kidnapped.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago

Glory to A ~~rstotska~~ merica

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's not totally exact, France too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

And Russia and North Korea

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Israel too, our greatest ally and friend to humanity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I'd expect Israel to see the decline at 2024. For Russia I'd expect it to be at 2022. By 2025 these countries probably didn't see a decline simply because they started from a low baseline.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 hours ago

Anecdotal: traveling to the smoky mountains and rented some bicycles. Owner said rentals are down 30% compared to this time last year.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago

More so for people with families. Individuals might be prepared to risk it but no one with kids is likely to.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Even if I wanted to visit the states. Can I risk having my holiday ruined and the money I’d lose if I was randomly turned away at the border?

It’s not even safe to transit the states at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

As an American even I don’t want to leave because I’m very critical of this administration and god forbid they’d somehow connect me with my online persona. I just don’t want the pain they could cause. I don’t “think” they could deport me (50s very white male) but who the fuck knows at this point. Gravy seals that are cosplaying as some military elite in their tacticool gear are just snatching people off of the street.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The reality is this:

They are accosting and hassling/turning away people who aren't white. And I see pushback on this in the weirdest forms, people saying how most immigration officers are hispanic or black also, etc. That does not matter. This is entirely superficial and ordered by higher-ups and designed to drive up hate and racial tension so we don't unify. If you're not white, you face significant chances of being hassled at immigration but there are still thousands and thousands of people passing in and out of the country daily, so it's not THAT high of a chance.

As for transit across the states? Outside of some real backwater sundown towns in the deep south, there is a massive cognitive bias at work in the USA that works in two directions.

I can promise you that you can be brown, asian, hispanic, purple with polka-dots and could most likely bicycle across the entire country and you will be treated with kindness and respect and people will offer to take you into their homes across the country.

The weird disconnect that people are having a hard time digesting is that some of these same people will go online and scream about how immigrants are ruining our country and that we need to start a race war.

We don't live in a coherent reality in the USA anymore. The media world, including the internet and places like reddit and lemmy and facebook and twitter reflect a weird "mirror universe" where people are following an entirely different set of feelings.

We are in a new world of cognitive dissonance and I fully understand how off-putting that is and I recommend not visiting the country for that reason alone. Don't give this country tourism money as long as this administration remains in control.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

Most people don't have problems but we are shocked to hear Canadians and Australians were turned back because they spoke out against our ~~regime~~ government.

It was unheard off. Freedom of speech? Gone. 🗽, diminished.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

If you got into the country, what's to stop ICE from picking you up and sending you to a prison in another country?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Really? Not even countries in open war saw a decline?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

I doubt many people are sad that they had to cancel their trip to South Sudan lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago

Depends how you define "tourist," I suppose.

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