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People in 2024 aren't just swiping right and left on online dating apps — some are crafting their perfect AI match and entering relationships with chatbots.

Eric Schmidt, Google's former CEO, recently shared his concerns about young men creating AI romantic partners and said he believes that AI dating will actually increase loneliness.

"This is a good example of an unexpected problem of existing technology," Schmidt said in a conversation about AI dangers and regulation on "The Prof G Show" with Scott Galloway released Sunday.

Schmidt said an emotionally and physically "perfect" AI girlfriendcould create a scenario in which a younger male becomes obsessed and allows the AI to take over their thinking.

"That kind of obsession is possible," Schmidt said in the interview. "Especially for people who are not fully formed."

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You know, the way this toxic bro culture has evolved, let them build their own romantic partners if actual human women aren’t good enough for them.

Personally, I love my authentic, human, beautiful complicated and unusual wife. I didn’t get to create her, but I’ve gotten to spend almost 20 years figuring her out and it’s been pretty great.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Wish he would fuck off along with the rest of the CEO class .

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago

I’m not sure one of the most evil people on earth is in a position to be dictating human values to anyone.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago

Could the oldest profession be one of the first to be replaced by AI?

No.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

Bad businessman, bad. Everyone knows you don't bring problems without solutions.

Now what's the solution? (One that doesn't involve enslaving women further). Bet he won't broach the idea of regulating AI companions, that would be bad for profit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

eric schmidt needs to take a dirt nap already

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The real question is are sex dolls good enough? Because you cannot have sex with an AI girlfriend.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

A VR girlfriend can’t make you soup when you’re sick or stick her cold feet between your thighs. Carrying heavy objects for a girlfriend is a reward in itself.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (11 children)

I have been saying for a while, I think hyperealistic vr and believable AI personalities are going to be the 'great filter' that limits advanced civilization.

Given the chance to have your sexual and emotional fantasies fulfilled in a satisfying way, many many people will take it. Especially when 'real life' is getting harder with everything from the cost of living making the dream of 'married with home and children' less obtainable to hyper competitive online dating disenfranchising increasing proportions of both men and women.

Having a believable relationship with AI is far closer than we think. It doesn't have to perfectly replicate real life, it just has to be satisfying enough in a few key ways that people begin to prefer it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I personally agree that this is a kind of a regulator.

Like what Tao Te Ching says. Humans shouldn't have too much of what they desire. Such a reality in some area fails them as an opportunity to learn. It's also a dead end - you can't have children with a robot. You can't grow children with a robot, or maybe you can, but it will not be sufficiently complex and it will have different criteria of success.

But this doesn't limit advanced civilization.

It's just that in these things we are trying to cheat. Advancement to AGI, if it ever happens, should be done in its own turn. We have means to solve a lot of purely technical problems, but we haven't yet. There's no reason to hurry with AGI.

The reason Europe has conquered the world was that European cultures had this respect to simplicity, born from Christian morality, but also respect to choice and logic. Remove any one of these three, and you lose that power.

Europeans had sometimes less sophisticated technologies in any particular area than, say, China or Safavid Persia or Ottomans or Southeast Asian nations or even at some point some African nations. But what they had was complete and comprehensive system, civilization as a whole. They always had the lower level of the building finished before going to the next one.

This was due to that Christian modesty combined with antique philosophy.

I also think we've diverted from that relatively recently - around the dotcom bubble crash, maybe. I think it had deeper implications than what people think, because the trust into said philosophy started eroding at that very point. Which created imbalance in favor of forces less affected, like Microsoft and others, who have eroded it further, and the "good" forces, like Sun or Compaq or Motorola or what not, have contributed more into it with their attempts to survive after the 90s than they would if they'd die with the crash immediately, because they showed the public something that looked like a loss in honest competition.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Given the chance to have your sexual and emotional fantasies fulfilled in a satisfying way, many many people will take it.

Obviously. But I haven’t yet seen anything from an AI that could fulfill either.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

You're looking at the AI equivalent of where stop frame animation was in 1930. It's a few years old and rudimentary. Give it 80 years. That's the time frame I was talking about.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Depends on how low your standards are. I mean, there were [a small number of] people who convinced themselves that the 1960s chatbot ELIZA was a person with feelings, and the bots have only become more convincing since then. I can certainly see the modern ones fulfilling the emotional needs of someone who really, really wants to believe they're speaking to a sapient being who cares about them, and as for the other, well, some people have pretty low sex drives or find phone sex fulfilling enough (at least for a time).

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Spending all time dating AI partners means that we have achieved labor post scarcity. If labor post scarcity isn't achieved, then it means you have to do a job to survive (like now), thus not spending entire time with AI partners.

Achieving labor post scarcity means that scientific progress too would stop being connected with the economic productivity of individuals. Basically, AI scientists. Scientific progress means expansion of humanity through space.

Therefore, your great filter idea doesn't really hold imo.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Spending all time dating AI partners means that we have achieved labor post scarcity

Bit of a weird non sequitur

What I'm saying has nothing to do "labour post scarcity"

I'm referring to immersive VR and AI overall contributing to a falling birthrate. If immersive realities become truly immersive, it's reasonable to believe they will occupy leisure time. This has nothing to do with people's relationship to work. They'll still need to be economically active, whether or not this takes place in the VR is neither here nor there.

It's a point about what people will do with their time when they are lonely, want connection, or pleasure. And if VR / AI (whatever other technologies) becomes believable and more satisfying then there's little reason to believe people will continue the "unreliable" tradition of dating. And even less to engage in the mucky and very biological habit of reproducing.

Witness Japanese culture. And then just add 100 years of immersive believable AI personality and sexual fantasy. Do you think that will make people get married and have babies or do you think it will help them being content being single and childless?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Your conclusion is based upon an assumption that we need more humans to progress as society. If AI develops to the point where it is better as a partner than a human being, it likely means that we have achieved, or are very close to achieving labor post scarcity (the assumption being that an AI capable of achieving this is capable enough to do most/all human work).

When we achieve labor post scarcity, the number of humans has nothing to do with progress. Therefore, falling birthrates won't have any negative effect on progress.

When we achieve labor post scarcity in the medical field, life expectancy would increase, with us achieving biological immortality at a certain point. This means, that death rates also go down.

Considering the above, I thought you were referring to "dating and fucking AI partners" as the end of human progress (presumably because of a lack of any motivation to cause any more development). That's what my reply was talking about.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

I'll take projection for 100, Alex

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When i was younger i totally would've been into an ai girlfriend

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Herbivores are a thing in Japan... it's a way to curb humanity's growth i guess.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't think this is a problem specific to men or adults primarily but children growing up with them. That is if they'll continue to improve drastically which won't necessarily happen.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I want to see the unfolding of a scorching romance between two partners, each not knowing that the other is an AI.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

New on NBC this spring. Tune in for the drama. AI vs AI Romance Island Server Room.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Here's is a movie plot for you

Two sentient AI forces into the industry of artificial partners meet and develop human emotions

Fill in the gaps

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Eh, young women have been lusting after fictional characters like Mr Darcy, likely for as long as we've had literature.

These fictional characters can talk back, but it's not really anything new.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Futurama warned us about this!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

DON'T DATE ROBOTS!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

"FILL UP PHILIP J FRY!!!!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

You can't just say that and not link it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uE96qUlJ_4

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Came here to say just that. Mr CEO over not thinking this would happen is just detached from the world.

Lonely people aren't lonely by choice a lot of the time, they just can't find a place they fit in. You find out there is a place you can chat with "someone" that understands and that is all it takes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

@Stopthatgirl7 lol. can anything come close to the real thing? while knowing it's a simulacra?

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