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doi: 10.1037//0021-843x.105.3.440

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Even though this study seems kinda doubtworthy, that's what I've said for over 3 decades now. The louder they scream "evil!" The more "evil" they themselves are.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Maybe they were just thinking of fishing together

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't remember where this was from, but remember if effing funny and fitting here 😁

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 6 days ago

IIRC, this hasn't been debunked per se, but it was a very small, very limited study, and doesn't really do a great job of explaining homophobia in a broader population. (I mean, you're talking about 64 people in total; depending on your inclusion criteria, that could be a meaningless sample size.) Penile plethysmography is a proxy for sexual arousal; it's useful in some instances--like predicting whether or not someone will commit more sexual offenses in the future--but isn't even that great in those instances. If I remember correctly, there's strong evidence that disgust is a trait strongly associated with conservatism, and homophobia is a an extreme disgust reaction.

FWIW, I was casually--but quite virulently--homophobic when I was younger. I'd been raised in a very conservative, evangelical religious group, and I believed all the bullshit that I'd heard about gay people. That changed once I lost religion, and actually met people that were gay. That, of course, is only anecdotal evidence, and does assume that I'm neither gay nor bisexual (and I don't believe that I am), but it fits with what I've seen from conservative thought.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

"You fear and reject what you are"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Maybe this explains that odd "prayer" group hug of Republicans in the Capitol that was posted these days ;-)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I could also imagine that the causality is (partly) the other way around. Demonizing homosexuality makes it a taboo for them and taboos are the base for all kinds of fetishes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn't say so, you still kinda need gay tendencies to find a kink in your taboo that is himusexuality itself.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I'm not a scientist, so I'm just guessing here. But looking at popular search terms on porn sites, you'll find a lot of taboo stuff like (step-)mom, (step-)sis, poop, BDSM, gang bangs etc. But just because people find it interesting in porn, I wouldn't argue that they necessarily want to act accordingly in real life, bang their relatives etc.

Some time back I also read an article somewhere (sorry no source) that taboos in porn can get somehow addictive in a way that you're permanently looking for harder taboos.

But as said, I have no clue if that applies here or if there's scientific evidence for/against this hypothesis.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Waitwaitwait... The homophobic men displaying arousal: Yeah, sure, of course.

But NONE of the non-homophobic men got even a little ruffled? That's the real surprise here.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Well, they did specifically look for heterosexual non-homophobic men. Apparently, every one they got was honest about their sexuality, both to the researchers as to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

"Two dudes fuckin', cool. Not my thing, but it looks like they're having a good time and that's awesome."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I've had that exact reaction many times at BDSM events. (Technically, that first comma needs to move one word to the left.)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Typical of these evil, woke scientists to try to make good upstanding citizens gay with their evil sciencing. Good thing President Trump is putting an end to all this.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As someone that used to be homophobic in highschool, I can confirm this is the case. My dad is super homophobic yet all of his kids, including myself, are at least bisexual.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

To my knowledge there is no hard evidence for sexuality being primarily genetical?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

It depends on how you're looking at homosexuality; are you looking at it as sexual attraction, or as behaviour? If you're talking about behaviour, then a lot of that is certainly environmental, e.g., if you're raise a non-permissive location, you're much, much less likely to engage in homosexual behaviour. But if you're talking about sexual attraction, then it seems very unlikely that it could be anything other than primarily genetic.

I think that the fact that there's a difference between how people act, versus how people feel, is what confuses so many people about being straight, gay, bisexual, transgender, etc., and why conservatives feel like there's a 'gay agenda' to make kids gay (or trans) when a permissive society allows more people to act freely on the way that they feel.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

There is evidence. See the fraternal birth order effect for just one example:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation

And scientists have created lesbian mice:

https://bmcgenomdata.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2156-11-62

(Side note: it's hilarious they shorthanded the enzymes to FucM)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think you are right and I couldn't find anything. I just find it highly suspicious that my dad is hardcore homophobic when more than half of his immediate family is gay or bisexual. Like, even his brother is gay.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 6 days ago (6 children)

So interesting thing here: both groups were aroused at heterosexual and lesbian stimuli.

The homophobic ones responded to the homosexual stimuli.

The guys were bi. Sort of explains why they argue "everyone chooses to be gay or straight." Because they have decided they have to.

This also explains the more-frequent-than-i-enjoy conversation about how "no, there really isn't a celebrity I'd go gay for."

[–] [email protected] 71 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I feel like bisexuality is way more common than what we see. And if anything, I feel like the reason why so many women are more likely bi or willing to experiment vs men is literally just the bullshit stigma against being seen as gay.

And this may just be my experience, but being bisexual isn't as easy as just choosing one or the other. The problem is that if you repress that much of your sexuality it only grows more... Intense. And sometimes more depraved, which is never a good thing. And I feel like that's why a lot of those men end up getting caught doing "gay" things but it's never just normal stuff. It's always super crazy shit they get caught doing because it's been repressed for so long that they make awful impulse decisions on feelings they've been ignoring for years. Like holding in your anger for 30 years and then going absolutely fucking mental when your coworker takes your parking spot.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

i literally know people like this

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So everyone who calls me the F word wants to fuck me? Gross.

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Homophobes: resist those evil urges, don't give it to the gay sex, you can do it just say no...

The rest of us: uh, who's gonna tell them

[–] [email protected] 58 points 6 days ago (6 children)

If you're scared enough, even wiping your ass is gay.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 6 days ago (5 children)

That's outright disgusting.

If you need to regularly scratch your anus, go see a doctor.

Also, even if you do need to scratch your anus, why wouldn't you be able to eat with your hands? SURELY you sanitize them properly RIGHT? RIGHT?!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Eat with the right, touch anus with the left and always wash hands before you eat. Developed cultures have done this for ages. And they have clean bumholes because they wash instead of only smearing with toilet paper. That shit is disgusting.

Washing can also help against the itchiness. As well as non-synthetic underwear. If those don't help, do indeed see a doctor.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you need to regularly scratch your anus, you probably have parasites. That's one of the prime ways for some species of parasites (roundworms, I think?, probably tapeworms too?) to spread.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

If you have a tenia, you are never alone.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

How did they measure "penile circumference" over time? Is there a guy standing next to them with a tape measure?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s basically the same thing as a ring fit adventure, a strain gauge, though research ones are far more sensitive

These things are used in really sketchy therapy like conversion therapy. They were also used in pedophilia treatment in the 90s which was basically conversion therapy to track outcomes, basically exactly as what’s written here (though they wouldn’t present actual illegal material, just risqué material like pictures of kids at the beach or something). Penile plethysmography is the area and it’s still practiced in some places, though it’s pretty controversial because they’re evaluating sex offenders for risk of recidivism and viability of release which is always inherently controversial and other more obvious reasons

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

It is also controversial because sexual arousal is far from the only reason men have erections.

This study is an example, there's an alternate interpretation that affirms homophobia is actually the result of repressed sexuality, in general. Thus any sexual stimuli would be arousing. Thus causing an erection, regardless of the gender displayed, and irrespective of the person's sexual orientation.

This tracks with the fact that almost all homophobes are politically conservative, tend to be highly religious, or are very young and immature. They all coincide with environments prone to sexual repression.

The other variation is that anger also causes arousing.

This study was too small to control for those kind of factors.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

really hot male lab assitant measures it closely

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

installing a glory hole in the lab for double-blind studies

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

That's what I was wondering for quite some time for developing a recreationa..... aaaaah medical device using an esp32 that can control other hardware over Bluetooth. A sttetch sensor or pressure cuff might work, but it might be nicer not to have it work like a blood pressure measurement machine.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Elastic ring that can measure how much it streched.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Makes sense. Albeit I find the idea of someone holding a tape measure more funny.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Probably some sort of pressure cuff that they measured changes in air pressure, or something similar?

[–] [email protected] 156 points 6 days ago (7 children)

It's always important in science to do the experiment or study, even if you're pretty sure you already know the answer.

Sometimes, the result will be surprisingly counter-intuitive. And other times, like in this study, it confirms what seems blatantly obvious.

What could it possibly mean when a man who identifies as heterosexual feels threatened by the mere existence of homosexual men? What could it mean???

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

And more proof is always useful. Science runs on it.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And then they’re like "huh… that’s weird“ and discover time travel by accident.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

What are you referring to with time travel? Seems interesting

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

"Turns out all we needed to travel forwards in time is to burn homophobes!"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

"1.21 GIGAHOMOPHOBES?!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's a banger quote. Where does it come from?

I think it could be reuse with burn the kings, and burn the capital owners

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

Based study

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