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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

As many frags as possible

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

with a knife or whatever

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Tit. For. Tat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

you find some third way thats not the bad outcomes that are suggested. Theres always possibilities in life and people who say there are not are generally trying to coerce you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago

I ban trolleys. Everyone walks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

pull my gun, kill the other person and move the lever, as far i can know that person is the one this whole thing upfamily up

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

This is only superficially a prisoner's dilemma. In a true one, you cannot get a better result for yourself no matter what the other person does, but here if you assume the other person pulled the lever, there is no reason to pull the lever yourself.

To fix this, you can have 4 relatives on the trolley, and 5 of the opposite faction way back on the middle track. Both do nothing, 1 relative of each is killed. One guy switches the lever, their relatives are all fine, other guy loses 5. Both switch, crash with all 8 relatives on the trolley dead.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I see what you're trying to do and you're not necessarily wrong, but you're kinda perpetuating the attitude that inspired someone to make this meme in the first place

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I follow. Should this meme's creator not have been inspired?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Touche. But no, my point was more of a haphazard reflection on how both the Trolley Problem and Prisoner's Dilemma are (by design) built on the idea of reducing human life and/or morality and empathy down to a math problem. It is a method of thought that has its purposes, sure, but I think too many people make that their default setting, which makes dehumanization more commonsublllif subconsciously. Idk man, I'm going through some stuff

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Given that this problem is given during corporate interviews ... it probably screens for the requisite level of sociopathy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well obviously you should pull the lever once the front wheels past the split but before the rear wheels cross it, so that trolley gets off the rails. This way everybody has the chance to survive and you have defensible position during inevitable court hearing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

How much did I like that one guy really.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Are the 5 people on the opposong trolley worthy of death? Will killing them outweigh losing my loved ones?

Or is the one loved one ill save my really hot 1st cousin?

Because with the rest of the family dead, we can live happily ever after without any annoying incest complaints.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Yell "Jump!"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

If you think about this for any length of time and actually imagine this scenario, you realise you don't pull the lever and it's not even close.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

that right, I'd masturbate on the tracks and on the people tied to the tracks so they are slipery and can slide or bounce to safety. And before you judge me, its the only thing I'm really good at and we should make the most of what we have in life.

Failing that for whatever reason (or maybe in addition to that), I'd asses which of the prospects are lefties and make sure those people in particular live. Sorry centrists and republicans, but we need the votes and some people have to die, but I'm focussed on doing the least harm here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

wildest trolley solution I've seen so far lmao (the slippery jon trons)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Wrong. You pick the obviously wrong moral stance and then aggressively yell about it on the internet. The more obvious it becomes that you are wrong, the louder you yell. This protects your ego from introspection.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 30 minutes ago

That's something a lot of people will do for fun.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

SHUT UP. THE RIGHT CHOICE IS TO DROP A NUKE ON EVERYONE.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You realize this is your family watching you make the decision to have their vehicle run over a loved one? There's a possibility they all live if you pull it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Or if you pull it, then they see you make the decision to risk their lives to kill three other people.

What is better, three lives lost or one life lost?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

ok but what if the 3 in the middle were avg US swing state voters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

The other side would deal with them then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

But then your loved one (mom, dad, sister,child) dies.

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