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Since Elon Musk bought Twitter in 2022 and subsequently turned it into X, disaffected users have talked about leaving once and for all

For the most part, X has held up as the closest thing to a central platform for political and cultural discourse.

After Trump’s election victory, more people appear to have gotten serious about leaving. According to Similarweb, a social-media analytics company, the week after the election corresponded with the biggest spike in account deactivations on X since Musk’s takeover of the site. Many of these users have fled to Bluesky: The Twitter-like microblogging platform has added about 10 million new accounts since October.

In a sense, this is a victory for conservatives: As the left flees and X loses broader relevance, it becomes a more overtly right-wing site. But the right needs liberals on X.

As each wave departs X, the site gradually becomes less valuable to those who stay, prompting a cycle that slowly but surely diminishes X’s relevance.

Of course, if X becomes more explicitly right wing, it will be a far bigger conservative echo chamber than either Gab or Truth Social.

Still, the right successfully completing a Gab-ification of X doesn’t mean that moderates and everyone to the left of them would have to live on a platform dominated by the right and mainline conservative perspectives. It would just mean that even more people with moderate and liberal sympathies will get disgusted and leave the platform, and that the right will lose the ability to shape wider discourse.

The conservative activist Christopher Rufo, who has successfully seeded moral panics around critical race theory and DEI hiring practices, has directly pointed to X as a tool that has let him reach a general audience.

This utility becomes diminished when most of the people looking at X are just other right-wingers who already agree with them. The fringier, vanguard segments of the online right seem to understand this and are trying to follow the libs to Bluesky.

Liberals and the left do not need the right to be online in the way that the right needs liberals and the left. The nature of reactionary politics demands constant confrontations—literal reactions—to the left. People like Rufo would have a substantially harder time trying to influence opinions on a platform without liberals. “Triggering the libs” sounds like a joke, but it is often essential for segments of the right. This explains the popularity of some X accounts with millions of followers, such as Libs of TikTok, whose purpose is to troll liberals.

The more liberals leave X, the less value it offers to the right, both in terms of cultural relevance and in opportunities for trolling.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

The cows, chickens, horses, donkeys, sheep, goats, llama, alpaca, and your crazy uncle Earl have all fled the barn

Quickly rushes over to slam the barn door

Phew...just in time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)
For the most part, X has held up as the closest thing to a central platform for political and cultural discourse.

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Whoever told you that is a god damn liar.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 minutes ago

It’s kinda correct in that it’s full of right wingers and also lefties, although the scales have been quickly shifting.

Genuine question though, what social media platform is better at being central?

If you say Lemmy I’m gonna laugh myself into a coma 😆

[–] [email protected] 5 points 52 minutes ago

Unfortunately it's true, whether you like it or not. The amount of times one random radical asshat saying something outrageous turns into a major outlet "people-are-saying" news article is infuriating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Isn't this just a variation of the usual "if x candidate wins, I'm moving to Canada" rhetoric? All talk, no walk?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 hour ago

Except the walk is happening. Bluesky feels way more thriving to me than Xitter already.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

On one hand great, on the other hand it would be great of Mastadon was the Twitter replacement instead of another proprietary non-fediverse service.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

It won't be for a few reasons:

  • Most of it is explicitly anti-commercial in the sense that most users want to get to know other users not just their work

  • Folks keep introducing it in a way that is difficult for new users to understand

  • Having said that federation can be difficult to understand if you aren't seeing others and don't get why

  • There are no algorithms, full text search or indexing which most users from commercial social media want, but we don't for privacy and anti-commercial reasons.

  • Quite a bit of mastodon cares more about sustainability and community than upping their numbers so most of the non spammy, well moderated servers have registrations closed or reviewed (or whatever it is called) and most people might find that difficult to deal with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Tyranica moderation, meaning onerous decision of which instance you join will restrict the range of your permitted opinions. And lastly, no real way to migrate your account without damaging your relationships and reputation. Again making the instance decision very important.

This combined with infective content discovery means mastodon will remain a niche nerdtoy clubhouse

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It'll stop being 'tyranica' when users stop being racist etc and harassing others, until then the good instances will keep banning and blocking those that won't do anything about it.

Also, spam is a problem on open instances.

Edit: How do you do 'content discovery' without violating people's consent or opening them up to harrasment?

Mastodon, at least from where I look is doing fine and I couldn't be happier with the moderation or community I have found there, most of them not at all tech obsessives.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I use both and Mastodon is missing a lot of the quality of life features of Bluesky.

  • Good user verification
  • Add lists
  • Block lists
  • Subscribable topic feeds
  • Configurable algorithms

These things make Bluesky very easy to get started with and more powerful even than Xitter was. It's simply a better product if you have any requirements other than federation.

I wish it were otherwise, but that's just the way it is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

How is user verification done?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

You put a snippet of code on your website.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 48 minutes ago

Ah, so exactly like Mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

And if you don't have or perhaps want a website?

Does verification do anything?

Does it create haves and have nots?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 32 minutes ago

It just gives you a checkmark, nothing else AFAIK.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

it is proprietary, but it's worth noting that bsky is also federated, so it is less centralized than e.g. xitter. it uses a different protocol than mastodon and i don't know many details about it, so unfortunately this is about the extent that i can speak on it

edit: it looks like you can get more details from others in this thread

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Federated Soon™. Last I heard it was placeholder code.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Here's a really good blogpost (and followup thread) outlining the differences of atproto vs activitypub (from one of the original authors of activitypub).

It got a friendly "acknowledged, we're working on it" reply from pfrazee, one of the lead bsky devs.

https://bsky.app/profile/pfrazee.com/post/3lbku7vdjjv2l

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

All of these stories I feel the same way: moving to another centralized privately owned platform is stupid.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Eh, I'll take it. Bluesky's learned some lessons from the past, for what it's worth. It has more than a few features that make the network lock-in less intense, so while I fully expect it to enshittify, I do think it'll be less severe of an affair than it was for Twitter.

What I'm more upset about is Threads. I can't think of anything redeeming about that place.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Bluesky is supposedly working on decentralisation, but yeah, I agree, especially since Mastodon is already there. Normies are just somehow very turned off by too much Linux talk, even though free software is part of the answer to keeping our society free and stopping monopolies from forming.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Even if bluesky somehow finishes decentralization its still fundamentally incompatible with the fediverse. In addition I doubt that itll become truly open source.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Bluesky will never be fully decentralized. The DID needs a central authority like DNS. Its architecture is distributed though.

Ideally the DID stuff is put into a foundation, and once the open source the other components anyone who can handle the fire hose can join.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

unless i'm missing something, activitypub also needs a centralized authority like dns. That's just how domain names work

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, if they can somehow come up with something better than activitypub, that would be great, from what I read it's actually not that efficient. But yeah, decentralisation is not something you can just tack on, so I'm sceptical too, especially since they're trying to raise VC money, which is not something you do when you want to build an open protocol.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Decentralization is inherently inefficient. Efficiency is a double-edged sword, though. One which our modern, business focused culture actively tries to ignore the self-facing blade of.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 16 hours ago

Is the right getting mad because they have no one fun left to yell at on X now? They can always yell at each other. They’re good at eating their own.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 56 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

The right has an abuse problem. They don't want to understand consent.

They see power as a means to an end. Is it a surprise they support rape when rape is about power?

Abusers never see themselves at fault and some will follow their abused victims to the ends of the earth to be able to pile on more abuse that they see as deserved. They aren't going to stop and self-reflect on this behavior. They will either become bored or they will double down and do whatever they can to continue harassing and abusing those who are different than themselves.

They will DARVO us until the very end. This is how it has always been with those who dole out abuse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Implying that "the right" as a whole supports rape is such a ridiculous thing to say.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

They elected a racist, so unless they're demanding that Trump be removed from office right now, I am happy to label any conservative pro-rape.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago

So by same logic we can then also assume everyone who voted for Kamala also wants U.S. to continue delivering arms to Israel, right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Well it clearly ain't a deal-breaker for most of 'em!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I really do worry about Trumps 1A speech. He may very well go after Blue Sky in a the ways he promised, under the premise of 1A. Now these same bullies have the President in their corner, possibly wielding the DOJ on it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

He may very well go after Blue Sky in a the ways he promised, under the premise of 1A.


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