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Summary

Trump’s popular vote share has fallen below 50% to 49.94%, with Kamala Harris at 48.26%, narrowing his margin of victory.

Trump’s share of the popular vote is lower than Biden’s in 2020 (51.3%), Obama’s in 2012 (51.1%) and 2008 (52.9%), George W. Bush’s in 2004 (50.7%), George H.W. Bush’s in 1988 (53.2%), Reagan’s in 1984 (58.8%) and 1980 (50.7%), and Carter’s in 1976 (50.1%).

The 2024 election results highlight Trump’s narrow victory and the need for Democrats to address their mistakes and build a diverse working-class coalition.

The numbers also give Democrats a reason to push back on Trump’s mandate claims, noting most Americans did not vote for him.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 hours ago

Actually only 50% of us support the fat pedophile fascist.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

At no time in the history of modern politics has the "popular vote" taken precedence over the electoral college. If you'll remember, biden's campaign made that point during his defeat of the orange 4 years ago. And the orange complained pretty loudly about it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago

Not to mention the numbers I saw still show he has more votes than her, he just fell below 50%, add in the people who voted for other candidates or voted for other positions and not president and she is below. I saw only 4% of votes left in California, meaning he will beat her by at least a million votes.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

What makes you say that? For me they all say the same as the article here.

(AP is still at 50%, but it should drop any moment. I didn't compare the numbers between them or do the math, so it may just be a difference in rounding.)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

now take into account the massive GOP voter fraud

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I thought we spent four years exhaustively proving that the election cannot be stolen? How did they find loopholes after the Democrats exhaustively proved they didn't exist?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

It wasn't that it can't be stolen. We proved the dems didn't steal it.

This year we had lots of evidence of fraud and manipulation by Rs and like do you really think Trump and Musk would actually just play fair?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The biggest problem with the letters that went around is that it would require every swing state Secretary of State to stay quiet about it happening. And some of those SoS's are die hard democracy and election people. It would also require the IT people not to leak any concerns and they aren't known for staying quiet about systems being penetrated.

All in all it seems like a weird thing happened but the silence is verging on Secret Government Agency with millions of domestic spies that never write a tell all book conspiracy territory.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

so... are we hearing any of that now?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

I haven't seen anything. I know Arizona for sure would be all over it. Their last three SoS elections were about keeping Maga out of the elections. The current governor is governor largely for standing up to Trump in 2020. If they thought they got hacked they would be using bullhorns to let us know.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I mean…. Does it really matter?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Nope.

Some liberals will say that he won't be able to claim a mandate. Doesn't matter. He will.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Seriously, how far does that excuse get anyone? "Well everyone didn't vote for him so whatever" and he says "Yeah they did 🥴" and proceeds to do whatever tf he wants anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

It sucks that the Dems don't bother with a recount, even if it's still the same result. Republicans wanted recounts just about everywhere they could in 2020. Instead they just say "welp, looks like we lost. Here's the keys to the kingdom." Do some due diligence and have a damn recount.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 hours ago

The problem is Republicans are heartless, but Democrats are spineless.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

Those kind of things have to be done in every single district and costs millions of dollars. Unless there's a probable chance, it's probably better to save the cash and use it for something that could get results in the future

[–] [email protected] 56 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

58% of the deciding power with just under 50% of the vote?

This might be a catalyst for states to sign the NPVIC. Pennsylvania started the process to sign on this week in legislature.

Perhaps in the past, swing states enjoyed the attention they got.

Now, I have a feeling voters are frustrated from getting way too much attention with mailers, calls, texts, illegal lotteries, news stories, events. As a bonus, voters in swing states are and will be getting outsized blame for electing the returning rapist-in-chief. Anyways a potential silver lining in the impending sea of shit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Democrats need to stop wasting time by challenging the results of this election in any way. We're going to be under the control of a party that waives facts and truths so it doesn't matter.

The Democrats need to be re-worked entirely. The reason why they failed this year is like how they failed in 2016. They focused on the whole "TRUMP BAD!" wagon and expected that to carry them. That's great...as a platform. But it was all that they mostly had. Platforms aren't any good if you can't build off from them and that's what the Dems didn't do.

I know and understand that if Harris had a full year of campaigning instead of a handful of months, maybe she could've had a better shot and a better understanding of how she'd turn this country around. But, she fell into the same trap as Clinton did and that's why she lost. She wasn't the entire reason, the Dems had a part in that too collectively, but a part of the reason.

You cannot just scream "THAT MAN BAD" without backing it up and without promise of how you'll do things right - for everyone. Emphasis on 'everyone' because there apparently are some groups that Harris and the Dems failed on and lost their votes. That's important.

Right now, Democrats need to seriously reconstructure.

And I hope that within the first year of this fascist's term of how much shit they'd have to sit, watch and fight over on. That by the 2026 mid-terms, that they get their heads out of their fucking asses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

there apparently are some groups that Harris and the Dems failed on

That's every group except for republicans, who voted Trump anyway.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago

I'm calling him a fascist, and those who voted for him fascists. Fuck this fascist country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

I know and understand that if Harris had a full year of campaigning instead of a handful of months, maybe she could've had a better shot and a better understanding of how she'd turn this country around.

I think she'd have dug herself into a deeper hole, if anything. That's what she did with the time she had available.

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