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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

On Lemmy? No. Banning is almost pointless here since it would be very hard to track a user across multiple instances.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Having moderated a number of online spaces over the years, sort of. It's usually the harshest thing a moderator can do, but it does not have very much real world impact on most people. In many parts of the internet, it isn't even very effective at keeping the same person from coming back with another account, which isn't a big deal if they don't come back with the same behavior.

I'm not particularly shy about reaching for the permanent ban if it seems like someone is being an asshole on purpose. I'm not getting paid for it, and I do not have much patience for dealing with people who don't want to be respectful toward their fellow humans. There's usually a way to appeal if it's a misunderstanding. That's especially true in systems like Lemmy and unlike traditional web forums where one account and UI provides access to many communities, leading to drive-by comments.

I'm also fond of somewhat ambiguous rules like "be excellent to each other" or "don't be an asshole". Without that, if a community gets active enough, someone will show up, act like an asshole, and argue about the rules when they get banned.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Permabans are akin to life sentences or death sentences. They should be reserved for serious "crimes" or multiple repeat offenses and not for breaking a rule or two. Something that Reddit mods can't wrap their heads around.

I was permabanned from r/college for trolling once. Like wtf! I was also permabanned from Reddit as a whole for calling out reverse racism, but that's another story.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I was permabanned there for talking about piracy in /r/movies and then accidently commenting something innocuous in the sub on an alt account. Banned for "ban evasion."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Also the part where your whole household gets banned from Reddit too. What a shitty site that place.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

imo, permaban should be reserved for bots and spam accounts. and people committing crimes using the platform.
everyone else max 30 days, but no limits how many times you can get banned if you keep repeating the bad behaviour

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

In my approach to it, I'd argue something like this. A misdeed done by a human does not have any infinite qualities because we're not capable of that, so what am I supposed to feel if I issue a ban that does? Unless a ban occurs according to conditions which exist on behalf of someone higher than me, I never "permaban" anyone from anywhere without intention of unbanning them under certain conditions. No clockwork runs on "unconditional" aspects.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Usually yeah. Unless it's something like trying to break a server or posting CP. People can do stupid things if they're having a bad day, mental health issues, etc.

Old forums usually had a system where you only got banned if you got a certain number of warnings within a certain time period. That usually worked well.

People are incredibly ban happy on Reddit, I got banned from the JimmyDore sub Reddit despite never visiting it, I don't even know who Jimmy Dore is.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Harsh? Yes.

Necessary? Often.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Now why would an account created 1 hour ago be asking something like this?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because it is not his first account.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

First account on lemmy. Banned from reddit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I vented about my past. Unfortunately reddit saw me as the abuser and not the victim in the situation, and that I agree with how I was abused. I really can't trust therapists and I hate people remembering me and things about me. I also hate being loved.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fair enough. If you were making the post in good faith and starting or continuing a discussion, it sounds like you shouldn't have been banned.

I got a perma ban from r/worldnews for being a "covidiot", I can't remember exactly why, but I wasn't saying COVID is a hoax, being antivax or telling people not to wear masks or anything else like that, I just had a point of view that was slightly off kilter from the echo chambers narrative. The post was on topic, I was being civil, making the argument in good faith and had written it well. I told the mod that banned me what I thought of them. Good riddance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No. But I think that it's often poorly used.

Most users are reasonable and should be treated as such by default; a simple warning goes a long way. Sometimes an overall good user is being really shitty so you ban them for, like, a week? Just to let them chill their head.

Permaban is for the exceptions. It's for users who cannot be reasoned with, will likely behave in a shitty way in the future, and have a negative impact on the community.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Kinda like the idea of incrementally longer bans for each offense.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I used to moderate a forum some years ago, with incremental bans. It was warning, warning, 1d, 3d, 7d, 15d, 1m, permaban.

It does not work well. For good users the system is irrelevant, they drop the behaviour after a single warning; shitty users keep the same behaviour even after the short bans are over, and then evade the larger bans, so you're basically taking multiple mod actions for what could be handled with a single one.

Eventually the forum shifted into a "three warnings and you're permabanned" system, but by then I wasn't a mod there any more so I don't know how well it worked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What if there was, like, a five year long ban?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A 5y ban is a permaban under another name. By then the user already disengaged the community, or circumvented the ban.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, maybe for a forum, maybe not for a site like Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Reddit might have originated as a link aggregator but for all intents and purposes it's a clusterfuck of forums anyway.

That said the difference between Reddit and old style forums in this case is that the permaban is never enforced; that place is so corrupt that you're expected to circumvent the rules and the punishment. A hypothetical 5y ban would be the same.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's MUCH BETTER actually. 3 warnings, then 1 day, and increase the amount of days for each offense.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

But "increase" must be something like 3x the last one, or 10x. Otherwise there would be too much room for damage.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

A one-day ban IS a warning.

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