Yes, and I am crying so hard right now. This sucks so bad.
this post was submitted on 04 Nov 2024
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- 2016 polls: Hilary by a landslide | 2016 results: Trump outperforms, wins
- 2020 polls: Biden by a ton | 2020 results: Trump outperforms, Biden ekes out a win
- 2024 polls: Dead-heat | 2024 results: 😬
Well, the 2024 polls weren't wrong. Human decency lost the coin toss.
It looks like they were wrong in exactly the same way and Trump outperformed. Assuming the few outstanding states go the way they are currently leaning, he'll win something like 311 to 227. That is not a dead-heat, it's a trouncing. But you're right, human decency definitely lost.
Harris currently has like 64M votes. This same time 4 years ago, Biden had +80M.Democrat voters didn’t fucking show up.
Almost as if running a centrist platform to try to pick up republican votes was a bad idea, and only disheartened democrat voters. Only 4% of registered republicans voted for Harris, the same as Biden. Hopefully democrats learned something from this, but that’s doubtful.
Probably. I've lost all faith in this country. If not through election, I expect SCROTUS to hand it to him.
Either way I expect him to lose the popular
I am absolutely blown away that he is winning the popular vote by as much as he is.
Not an American so my opinion here is worth approximately fuck all, but I doubt it tbh. Donald is an unlikeable arsehole well past his prime, and there's still a lot of energy on the other side in spite of the DNC campaign team's hardest efforts to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.
He might be an unlikable asshole, but it's america you are talking about.
Seems you were right
What efforts this election? The DNC has done pretty well.
Pretty well at sabotaging its candidate's chance of victory with an atrocious campaign, I guess.
My comment did not age well
In fairness, nor did mine.
It's unlikely that he'll win, but the potential is still there and he's going to say he won or was cheated regardless of the outcome.
He won in 2016 and still insists cheating kept him from winning the popular vote as well.
One thing that I can predict is that, in the next several days, we’re gonna find out that all of the polls were extremely wrong. Which way? I suspect it will be in Kamala Harris’s favor, but I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see.
He might not win, but he's probably going to be president.
or rather "President"
No. He's going to pretend to win and hope that his minions start a revolution for him, but they won't, and as in 2020 he will lose. Then he'll spend the rest of his pathetic-ass life in court.
the preponderance of phoney Trump depictions — Trump as Rocky Balboa, Trump riding a dinosaur, Trump as an NFL player. Nobody has ever done that with Barack Obama. They love Obama just as he is. Trump supporters meanwhile must create bullshit versions of their cartoon messiah.
Everything about him is a lie, down to his very existence. Really drives home the point that thin air would be a better president (or perhaps Clint Eastwood's empty chair).
Also, kudos on describing the recent orange makeup as giving the appearance of surviving a "booby-trapped papaya". Great article.
No, he's not going to win. Kamala will win the popular vote by a significant margin and will win comfortably in the EC, +/- 25 electoral college votes.
The problem will be people are going to die tomorrow and we'll have to wait to see if the coup fails again.
Have to admit it. I was wrong. The U.S. is in serious trouble.
All is lost, all is lost
Ya. I'm scared. It's way closer than I was expecting. The US is fucked if Trump wins, along with Ukrain and Gaza.
Not an American, so maybe I don't know what I am talking about (although I have lived/worked/studied in US + Canada for a decade).
I won't speculate on who will win or not. But as a foreigner who has lived in the US, the impression I get is that American society is arguably not prepared to fight for it's freedoms. There also don't seem to be any institutions (political, social, cultural) that can create a situation where the current elite's de facto hold on power becomes unsustainable and they start feeling a personal risk (even on an implicit level - which is arguably more important than explicit actions).
Paradoxically that can be seen as a good thing; there is enough money to go around where people don't need to care. That's actually a decent place to be in (in an abstract sense). But there are also externalities to such a setup; your country's liberal (not in the American sense) institutions can slowly circle the drain and no one does anything until it's too late.
In a hypothetical country a sizeable ethnic minority might be so opposed to a given leader, that a lot of the centrists or people who just don't care that much start having second thoughts about that leader. Or say the local oligarchs or the judicial elite start wondering if they could get themselves in trouble (real trouble; loss of assets, even personal danger - doesn't have to be explicit but even a somewhat real possibility) due to the continued support of said leader.
From my experience, these sort of dynamics simply do not exist in the US. The oligarchs will always have their money protected and their "get out of jail free" cards respected. The judicial system as a whole would never be in a situation where they would largely be considered illegitimate (and seen as treasonous, criminal collaborators).
And can you honestly imagine any kind of real protest movement in the US. Shutting down of airports and critical transport and communication networks. Direct rejection of central authority in specific regions. Local arrests of oligarch property. Orders for arrests of specific oligarchs in protest regions (with full support of rank and file police officers).
I am not saying this is good thing, just pointing out that I can't imagine this happening in the US (I could be wrong).
So let's say Harris does win and Trump does a low-key coup with backing from oligarch and judicial elites (the US supreme court is corrupt by global standards). I don't see anyone fighting back.
Am I being too pessimistic and jaded in my worldview?
A revolution won’t find support from rank and file police, their whole existence is to prevent danger to the power of the state.
Am I being too pessimistic and jaded in my worldview?
As a US citizen: No, not in the least. Most are cowed and comfortable and undereducated.
There would be pockets of fighting back, but not enough. The cops here nationwide are almost uniformly pro-oligarchy, they know who butters their bread and they like being an unaccountable gang.
I generally oppose notions such as "all cops are bad" and I do think they should even command some respect in society (it should go both ways of course). You want the police to be on side of society in a broad sense and for them to be civic minded.
I wouldn't say American police are bad (even though I do have stories of their cowboy antics) per se, but I did get the impression that the US police is somewhat subrevient to the oligarchy.
Having a civic minded police is the best option, but even a self-interested police force can show flexibility and have a indirectly positive influence.
One hypothetical example would be the police not willing to easily, directly side a group in a given case. Their thinking could be something along the lines "why don't we sit this out, no point in taking all the risks for some breadcrumbs, when the vast majority of the benefits go to someone else. Let them put their asses on the line and we'll see how things play out."
Is there anything that could happen this year that would change your mind? About some cops being okay.
Cops in general? Absolutely not. You won't change my mind on this. I have real life examples from my country that for me make it impossible to say "all cops are bad" - very couregeous acts of bravery in defense of the country and in a sense me and my family too.
With respect to the US, I did have issues with the police acting out and roleplaying as cowboys and generally being a bit unprofessional (I am aware that it can be far worse for many other Americans). I also had good personal interactions with someone who worked in a US police department. It would be difficult for me to call him a bad person.
I am sure there are a lot of bad cops in the US (and my country too), but I got the impression that systematic/institutional issues should not be underestimated.
These are just my direct experiences and some general knowledge. I am not really in a position to make calls about the US.
Do you have something specific in mind?
Nope I got what I needed.
If you don't mind me asking, why did you ask me that question. I am genuinely curious.
I feel like I am not getting something.
Thanks for the laugh, I loved this line: "He looks like he’s been bobbing for hummus. They say after a while you get the face you deserve, and Trump’s just desserts appear to have been applied with a trowel."
Trump supporters meanwhile must create bullshit versions of their cartoon messiah. People leave his rallies when he launches into his interminable babbling speeches, but that doesn’t matter — Trump the man is incidental. It’s Trump the cartoon they love.
No notes. On point. It's why I fully believe that when Trump dies, a significant portion of his followers will simply choose... not to believe it. There will be Trump sightings for decades, like with Elvis.
Nooo please don’t be right, I never want to think about this man ever again and his death is the only hope for that I have. But ugh you’re probably right.
There is a pretty good chance that such brainless devotion could work in favor of democracy. After the Toupee is dead and buried the Republicans will have to find a different cult leader to rally behind, but if half of their voter base keeps voting for a corpse it'll split the party and Democrats will sweep the elections.
That's assuming we even have elections.
He will be crowned the new Christ in many Christian churches, if he hasn't already.
He has. They worship him like the antichrist that he is.