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Elon's Death Machine (aka Tesla) Mows Down Deer at Full Speed , Keeps Going on "Autopilot" (jalopnik.com)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right.

How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we're going to allow Elon to murder every year?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The one thing I will say is this isn't a human... Deer probably aren't in their training data at near the rates humans are.

It's definitely still concerning, but also still maybe more trustworthy than some human drivers. We seriously give licenses to too many people. Within the last week I've seen a guy that went into the other lane by like 4' multiple times and I also saw a lady who blocked 2 lanes of traffic so she could make an illegal U turn on a 4 lane city street (rather than you know turning off on a side street/one of many nearby parking lots and turning around).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Whats the number of children we’re going to allow Elon to murder every year?

What's the number of adults?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That deer was pushing the woke agenda!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

It was using the doe restroom.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Is there a longer video anywhere? Looking closely I have to wonder where the hell did that deer come from? There's a car up ahead of the Tesla in the same lane, I presume quickly moved back in once it passed the deer? The deer didn't spook or anything from that car?

This would have been hard for a human driver to avoid hitting, but I know the issue is the right equipment would have been better than human vision, which should be the goal. And it didn't detect the impact either since it didn't stop.

But I just think it's peculiar that that deer just literally popped there without any sign of motion.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Ever hear the phrase "like a deer caught in headlights"? That's what they do. They see oncoming headlights and just freeze.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

The road is paved with squirrels who couldn't make up their minds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It depends. If it's on the side of the road it may do the opposite and jump in front of you. This one actually looked like it was going to start moving, but not a chance.

It's the gap between where the deer is in the dark and the car in front that's odd. Only thing I can figure is the person was in the other lane and darted over just after passing the deer.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Deer will do that. They have absolutely no sense of self-preservation around cars.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Elon's Death

For a brief moment, I was so excited... Rip deer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

We can only hope soon 🙏

[–] [email protected] 227 points 6 months ago (8 children)

The poster, who pays Tesla CEO Elon Musk for a subscription to the increasingly far-right social media site, claimed that the FSD software “works awesome” and that a deer in the road is an “edge case.” One might argue that edge cases are actually very important parts of any claimed autonomy suite, given how drivers check out when they feel the car is doing the work, but this owner remains “insanely grateful” to Tesla regardless.

How are these people always such pathetic suckers.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Edge cases (NOT features) are the thing that keeps them from reaching higher levels of autonomy. These level differences are like "most circumstances", "nearly all circumstances", "really all circumstances".

Since Tesla cares so much more about features, they will remain on level 2 for another very long time.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Deer on the road is an edge case that humans cannot handle well. In general every option other than hitting the deer is overall worse - which is why most insurance companies won't increase your rates if you hit a deer and file a claim for repairs.

The only way to not hit/kill hundreds of deer (thousands? I don't know the number) every year is to reduce rural speed limits to unreasonably slow speeds. Deer jump out of dark places right in front of cars all the time - the only option to avoid it that might work is either drive in the other lanes (which sometimes means into an oncoming car), or into the ditch (you have no clue what might be there - if you are lucky the car just rolls, but there could be large rocks or strong fence posts and the car stops instantly. Note that this all happens fast, you can't think you only get to react. Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago

In general every option other than hitting the deer is overall worse

You're wrong. The clear solution here is to open suicide-prevention clinics for the depressed deer.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The problem is not that the deer was hit, a human driver may have done so as well. The actual issue is that the car didn't do anything to avoid hitting it. It didn't even register that the deer was there and, what's even worse, that there was an accident. It just continued on as if nothing happened.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the automated system should be better than a human. That is the whole point of collision detection systems!

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

Which the Tesla didn't do. It plowed full speed into the deer, which arguably made the collision much much worse than it could have been. I doubt the thing was programmed to maintain speed into a deer. The more likely alternative is that the FSD couldn't tell there was a deer there in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Deer jump out of dark places

that one was just standing there, yo

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

If tesla also used radar or other sensing systems instead of limiting themselves to only cameras then being in the dark wouldn't be an issue.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I grew up in Maine. Deer in the road isn’t an edge case there. It’s more like a nightly occurrence.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Same in Kansas. Was in a car that hit one in the 80s and see them often enough that I had to avoid one that was crossing a busy interstste highway last week.

Deer are the opposite of an edge case in the majority of the US.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Only keeping the regular cameras was a genius move to hold back their full autonomy plans

[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The day he said that "ReGULAr CAmErAs aRe ALl YoU NeEd" was the day I lost all trust in their implementation. And I'm someone who's completely ready to turn over all my driving to an autopilot lol

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why does this read like an ad for cybertrucks for people who would want to run over deer

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To err is human; To really foul things up you need a computer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

*fawn things up

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, I’m surprised the car was still in one piece. I’ve seen semi-trucks disintegrate after hitting a dear.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’ve seen semi-trucks disintegrate after hitting a dear.

I’d like to see that, I’ve seen modern regular full size trucks annihilate a deer without disintegrating. Semis wouldn’t be bothered much unless you’re talking about something larger like a moose. Deer are about the same weight as humans, whatever is good at killing humans is usually good for deer.

The average weight of an adult male is 203 lb (maximum, 405 lb). The average weight of a female is about 155 lb (maximum, 218 lb).

https://www.esf.edu/aec/adks/mammals/wtd.php

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Granted the semi I saw had a guard on the front of it, but I witnessed one smoke a fully grown cow at 70mph. Sent the cow and pieces of it flying about 100 feet, with no visible damage to the truck at all. There was a tremendous amount of blood and spatter everywhere and my own car got a ton of blood on it from the cloud of guts and blood made by the truck. Mostly there was just shit everywhere leading up to the remnants of the carcass, but the truck gave no fucks whatsoever. I asked the driver if he was ok and he didn't even seem to have any agitation whatsoever, more like "oh, another one".

A truck will not disintegrate, there might be damage if it didn't have a guard, but against a deer, that must've been a paper mache piece of shit truck if it disintegrated on a deer.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

In what way? If it's the bumpers and the crumple zone, then that's a feature. Do you have a picture about what you are talking about? I'm curious.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If the deer is above certain height, its body comes up and enters your precious room through the windshield. You are lucky if you survive then.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You are thinking of moose.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Moose are technically deer (taxonomic family Cervidae, which also contains reindeer, red deer, roe deer, etc). And a big bull can weigh almost a (US conventional) ton. I don't know whether that's enough to trash a modern semi (based on an old memory of an apparently undamaged semi and a dead moose on the shoulder of an Ontario highway in the 1990s, I'd guess probably not, or at least not always), but I wouldn't want to be the driver of the semi, either. Hitting them in an ordinary passenger vehicle—like any Tesla product—is something you really don't want to do.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No they aren't. Deer are often struck mid-bound which will absolutely send them flying into your windshield. Also, depending on what part of the world you are in, deer can get pretty huge.

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