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By Jeremy Hsu on September 24, 2024


Popular smart TV models made by Samsung and LG can take multiple snapshots of what you are watching every second – even when they are being used as external displays for your laptop or video game console.

Smart TV manufacturers use these frequent screenshots, as well as audio recordings, in their automatic content recognition systems, which track viewing habits in order to target people with specific advertising. But researchers showed this tracking by some of the world’s most popular smart TV brands – Samsung TVs can take screenshots every 500 milliseconds and LG TVs every 10 milliseconds – can occur when people least expect it.

“When a user connects their laptop via HDMI just to browse stuff on their laptop on a bigger screen by using the TV as a ‘dumb’ display, they are unsuspecting of their activity being screenshotted,” says Yash Vekaria at the University of California, Davis. Samsung and LG did not respond to a request for comment.

Vekaria and his colleagues connected smart TVs from Samsung and LG to their own computer server. Their server, which was equipped with software for analysing network traffic, acted as a middleman to see what visual snapshots or audio data the TVs were uploading.

They found the smart TVs did not appear to upload any screenshots or audio data when streaming from Netflix or other third-party apps, mirroring YouTube content streamed on a separate phone or laptop or when sitting idle. But the smart TVs did upload snapshots when showing broadcasts from the TV antenna or content from an HDMI-connected device.

The researchers also discovered country-specific differences when users streamed the free ad-supported TV channel provided by Samsung or LG platforms. Such user activities were uploaded when the TV was operating in the US but not in the UK.

By recording user activity even when it’s coming from connected laptops, smart TVs might capture sensitive data, says Vekaria. For example, it might record if people are browsing for baby products or other personal items.

Customers can opt out of such tracking for Samsung and LG TVs. But the process requires customers to either enable or disable between six and 11 different options in the TV settings.

“This is the sort of privacy-intrusive technology that should require people to opt into sharing their data with clear language explaining exactly what they’re agreeing to, not baked into initial setup agreements that people tend to speed through,” says Thorin Klosowski at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital privacy non-profit based in California.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2449198-smart-tvs-take-snapshots-of-what-you-watch-multiple-times-per-second/ (paywall!!)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I got a nice LG C3 on an open box deal, I connected it to run updates and fiddle for a few, then deleted the apps and took it offline.

[–] [email protected] 220 points 2 months ago (2 children)

awful ethics aside what a disgusting waste of processing power. software already barely runs

[–] [email protected] 132 points 2 months ago (9 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I just use a projector, do i still have to worry about the maker of the tablet that connects to the projector doing the same thing?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I had to update my LG recently and it had to get approval for all sorts of weird shit. Oddly enough, it let me continue using just about everything even after I denied all the very invasive checkboxes. I guess even they can't deny use of your own tv if you reject the agreement lol

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Earlier this month I finally disconnected the wifi for my 7 year old Roku TV. I miss being able to turn it on w/ voice activation but I'll trade that in for my privacy

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Friendly reminder that gaming console monitors, computer monitors, projectors, dumb TVs, and commercial displays exist.

Yes, I could hack a smart TV to disable its networking capabilities. (Merely withholding my wifi password is not reliable.) But that would still be showing the manufacturers that I find spyware TVs acceptable, and supporting the production of those models.

Also, this would be a good time to pressure our legislators into criminalizing this nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Not putting your WiFi password in would absolutely be reliable. I’d love to hear your ideas on how they’d remotely break into your WiFi Network

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Why is withholding the WiFi password not enough? Could they somehow piggyback off a different device or something?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

I've heard that some of them will connect to any wifi available. So if your neighbor does not have a password on their network. The tv will connect and upload the data.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (5 children)

dumb TVs

Only one company makes Dumb TVs anymore, Sceptre, and the quality is very hit or miss due to the way they acquire their screens.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's also harder to find them in larger sizes any more, even for the few for which sell them at all, so if you want a larger one, you may not have much by way of options.

https://assetbasedlife.com/dumb-tvs-are-a-dying-breed/

This lists Insignia, which is a Best Buy store brand.

This has a couple, at least as of last year:

https://www.tomsguide.com/features/dumb-tvs-heres-why-you-cant-find-them-anymore

Your best bet of grabbing one is to head over to Best Buy and look out for the Insignia brand of TVs. There you can find a 43-inch dumb TV for around $169 or a 32-inch model for $69 . (Links to Best Buy.)

On Amazon, you can simply search for dumb TV and you should be able to find a few options from manufacturers like Westinghouse, RCA or Sceptre. (Links to Amazon.)

It's also possible to buy a used TV, but obviously, as with getting used cars to avoid monitoring stuff in newer cars, the pool of those will only be around for so long, and you can't take advantage of any technological advances subsequent to them.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (5 children)

So what do we do when smart TVs force us to connect to the Internet, and refuse to work until we do?

This is exhausting. We're speeding towards a horrible, privacy-less future.

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[–] [email protected] 253 points 2 months ago (4 children)

These are criminal violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Jail the motherfucking felon CEOs!

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (4 children)

But the supreme court ruled to save the conviction for the election.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That means they're violating HDCP (High definition copy protection)? Do streaming services such as Netflix and Disney, as well as movie studios such as Universal, know this?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Did you go beyond the headline?

They found the smart TVs did not appear to upload any screenshots or audio data when streaming from Netflix or other third-party apps, mirroring YouTube content streamed on a separate phone or laptop or when sitting idle. But the smart TVs did upload snapshots when showing broadcasts from the TV antenna or content from an HDMI-connected device.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Does it means that it broadcast my chrome browser if connected through HDMI? If I check for a password in the password manager in chrome, it fucking sends my password to Samsung?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

so? we aren't allowed to take netflix screenshots at all

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Says who?

You are allowed to take screenshots of Netflix, even under the DMCA on DRM protected material. You are not allowed to use it commercially though. Personal use only.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Because your laptop cannot have Netflix, or a DRM enabled browser?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

No, the point here is that if you use the "smart" features, which includes running apps from their appstore, like Netflix or Disney+, it will not send the data. But if you connect your laptop via HDMI and then play Netflix in your browser, it will, because it's not smart enough to recognize and differentiafe video and audio data coming in through that port. I don't think it matters if it's a DRM enabled browser or not. It should be acting as a second monitor only in those cases, nothing more.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 2 months ago (5 children)
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