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Meliesha Jones, who was a part-time administrator at Vale Curtains and Blinds in Oxford since May 2021, was dealing with a customer complaint when she accidentally forwarded the email to the customer rather than reply to a colleague.

She wrote: "Hi Karl - Can you change this... he's a twat so it doesn't matter if you can't."

She was sacked for gross misconduct in June 2023, a week after she had sent the message to the customer instead of the company's installations manager Karl Gibbons, an employment tribunal in Reading heard.

Ms Jones was awarded £5,484.74 after the tribunal ruled she had been unfairly dismissed.

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Shortly after she had sent the message, the customer's wife rang and asked: "Is there any reason why you called my husband a twat?"

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The tribunal heard that a probe took place and the company decided there also had to be a disciplinary hearing.

But the tribunal heard neither Ms Jones nor the customer was interviewed, no notes were produced by Mrs Smith and no written account of the decision was made.

The customer had contacted the company directly and made further threats about publicising the incident, in particular by leaving a poor review on Trustpilot and bosses decided to "get rid of" Ms Jones.

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Employment Judge Akua Reindorf KC said: "I conclude from the evidence before me that the principal reason for this decision was that the customer and his wife had made threats to publicise the claimant's email in the press, social media and/or Trustpilot."

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The judge said: "The disciplinary process and the dismissal were a sham designed to placate the customer.

"This is clear from the fact that Mrs Smith immediately informed the customer that [Ms Jones] had been dismissed - notably, without any apparent regard for the claimant's data protection rights."

She added the company had "decided to sacrifice the claimant's employment for the sake of appeasing the customer and heading off bad reviews, and wholly unreasonably failed to consider other more proportionate ways of achieving the same outcome".

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

“Is there any reason why you called my husband a twat?”

Probably because he was being a twat.

I'm not allowed to talk to customers.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

And that's exactly the reason why you don't call customers names - neither in private, nor email. They might be the biggest twat, cunt, idiot imagineable but you simply don't do it. You never know who reads the emails - reminder that your org most likely has access to them and will be checking them when need be. At the end of the day it could've been left at "can you change this? It's okay if you can't". She still would have her job, the customer wouldn't have been insulted to their face and life would go on.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Me...

Two email threads on the same subject with the same subject line, slightly different recipient lists.

It was a really deep thread and at one point I had emailed the internal version with "the customer is not good at math." And included the correct math.

Some time later we had resolved the issue and I replied to the customer, but somehow ended up on the wrong thread. Fortunately it was so deep that I don't think they ever saw it. But one of our VPs did. We had an entertaining conversation.

To this day I hate threads that go on for ages and I hate it when people reuse threads.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

You're right. Always insult customers to their face 👍

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Exactly.

If you have a workplace culture where you're emailing backwards and forwards calling the customers names and that's seen as totally acceptable workplace 'banter' then of course it's going to go wrong sooner or later.

The blame is equally as much on the management for allowing and normalising that behaviour, and the tribunal recognised that.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

But the tribunal heard neither Ms Jones nor the customer was interviewed, no notes were produced by Mrs Smith and no written account of the decision was made.

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The judge said: "The disciplinary process and the dismissal were a sham designed to placate the customer.

What I know about HR is that the employer actually has a tonne of leeway to get rid of people as long as they can demonstrate they have followed a proper process with an audit trail.

The reason this person was fired that's mentioned in the headline (which I think isn't unreasonable - of course you can't call the customer a twat!) is kind of irrelevant here, it's the fact the employer didn't run a true process to back up the decision that has got them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

The US needs a labor party now!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As soon as I saw that the employee had been awarded something, I knew this did not happen in the US.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Also, they tend not to award British pounds in the US either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Obviously, but making that point is just pedantic, as everyone knows that already.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I wish I had British pounds instead of American ones

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Man, sometimes I wish courts were a lot sassier.

the customer and his wife had made threats to publicise the claimant's email in the press, social media and/or Trustpilot.

Bam! Perfect evidence that the customer is a twat.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Eh, I'd probably do the same if I was trying to get help from customer support and they just sent me an email calling me a twat.

I probably would skip the threatening step and just post immediately.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

During the official investigation, it was found that the initial email triggering the incident was, and still is accurate, the customer has provided written evidence to the fact. To strive to be accurate this report will therefore refer to the customer as "twat" going forward.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

"After due deliberation, it is this court's learned opinion that the plaintiff's subsequent actions have validated the initial assessment. Pass me the twathammer!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In this case, everyone's the twat (except Karl, at least on the evidence presented).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, but Karl's a wanker, everyone says so.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Carl gibbons is the name of the security guard at Cyberdyne offices that was tied up during the building raid in T2. spelt different but I just felt the need to point it out

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Good trivia all the same!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't believe the graffiti in the toilets or you'd believe that poor old Anne in accounts is a monster.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know, and Anne’s such a dear. Have you tried her cupcakes?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't touch them personally as I know what she adds to them for her "medical condition".

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

knowing someone had a blunder so much worse than my worst feels weirdly comforting

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago