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And instead changing the time work and other things happens depending on where you are. Would be easier to arrange meetings across the globe. Same thing applies to summertime. You may start work earlier if you want, but dont change the clocks!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Here’s a hypothetical store in a place where, say, 9:00 is now 23:00 using global time. The store would have been open 9:00-21:00 Mon and Wed, and 10:00-22:00 on Tuesday. But with global time it would look like this:

Mon 23:00 - Tue 11:00

Wed 0:00 - 12:00

Wed 23:00 - Thu 11:00

Not to mention the general headache of having the day change over in the middle of the day every day. “Meet me tomorrow” when tomorrow starts at lunchtime.

Plus, although you’d easily be able to set up international meetings in terms of getting the time right, you will have no idea whether any given time is during work hours in the other country, or even if people would be sleeping. Instead of having time zones you could look up, we’d have to look up a reference chart for, say, when lunchtime is in a country and extrapolate from there. Or imagine visiting a country and you need to constantly use a reference guide to figure out the appropriate time for everything throughout the day.

Books that reference time would all be specific to their time “zone”.

It would make so much sense to have a universal time that everyone can refer to for that use case of wanting to schedule things. And, in fact, UTC already exists.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

You have 244 timezones.

Let's have one timezone for the whole world!

You have 245 timezones.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you really wanna live in the part of the world where sunrise happens at 2pm?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't mind. The fact there's summer and winter time, also proves this point to a degree. You'd just have to get use to the fact it's 2PM in the morning. But it would solve a lot of issues. Australia already has summed in december. No biggie.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

It would make checking the meeting time a little easier, but make scheduling it way way harder. When scheduling a meeting I want to try to make it reasonable for everyone in the meeting and without time zones I'd have to look up a unique table of when daytime is for every location. That sounds so much worse to me than having a standardized time offset where reasonable working hours are pretty consistently defined. And the main time where I need to check time zones are at scheduling time anyways. When it comes to checking the meeting time everything I use already automatically converts the time to my local time.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fun fact: In 1793 France defined the metric time consisting in one single timezone, 10 hours per day, 100 minutes per hour and 100 seconds per minute. The people never used it and everyone forgot about it. It was later renamed decimal time

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Pilots already do this. Everything in aviation is "ZULU" time. In computers, we call it UTC or +0000. It actually works really well because we cross time zones so easily.

I would totally be in favor of switching to a universal time zone. But inertia is hard to overcome. Most people don't change time zones very often as they're usually far from population centers and people know that when they take a trip, that's when the time zone will change so for most it's not a daily concern and getting used to a new time zone model would be annoying. When you tell people about the US state of Indiana, they really start to change their minds, that place is fucked up.

Hint: Reykjavik, Iceland is a major city that uses UTC always, no Daylight Savings Time there. I always keep my second time zone on my watch and phone set to that.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We cant get Americans to use metric...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

You could always start switching over then give up half way through. Then you'd be like your Grandpa England.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

One big argument I keep hearing is that it would be too expensive.
It's honestly not that bad. The estimated cost is around $350 million. Now, that might sound like a lot but when you take into account that it's about $1 per person it doesn't seem so bad.
Now, if you consider the military budget of $480 Billion per year it seems even smaller.
It would take approximately 0.07% of the 2024 military budget to switch to metric.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not cost, it's just apathy. For most people it would take a while to learn, especially since after school you're not really measuring that much in most jobs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Step 1. Make all food packaging list both for a few years. That easy, just put it out there so it starts sinking in slowly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I mean why?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I imagine almost a bigger issue than the cost would be the... what's the American equivalent of a Gammon?... you know, those people that wouldn't change to Metric if their life depended on it. Four rods to the hogshead was good enough for their grandpappy and no filthy pinko liberal commie will get them to change. The ones that still don't wear seatbelts unless a cop is watching.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I use UTC for all of my logs. Keeps it less confusing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

“you’re fucking late to your goddamn shift you lazy piece of shit it’s already 35*()*46 B,shk past 73!!”

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

People that proposes to replace local timezones with global UTC must be living in europe where it doesn't impact them much if we do abolish the timezone. Now consider people that lives in the other side of the planet. Most people are active during the day, yet for them, the day will end right in the afternoon under the new system. So you tell your friend "hey, let's meet tomorrow", then your friend would be like "do you mean this afternoon, or in the morning next day?". No way people living in the asia pacific would accept this without military intervension.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

must be living in europe

This is a very dismissive argument. I live in a time zone where the day number would roll over during my waking day. But I still think that it would be better overall. (But not worth the switching costs.)

“do you mean this afternoon, or in the morning next day?”

It takes very little imagination to realize that this would not be an issue. "Tomorrow" would almost certainly be interpreted as roughly the next daylight period. This issue already exists as people are often up at midnight and somehow we don't get confused when people say "I'll see you tomorrow" at 23:55. We know that they don't mean in 5min. This is just a source of jokes, but no one gets confused.

The real issue would be things like "want to meet on wednesday" if there is a transition during working hours or "want to go out for dinner on the 17th" if the day transition happens near dinner time. I think this would be the hardest part to adapt to, but language is a flexible thing and I doubt it would take long for it to adapt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It takes very little imagination to realize that this would not be an issue. "Tomorrow" would almost certainly be interpreted as roughly the next daylight period.

So when someone is doing this international meeting stuff they have to be very careful about saying “let’s look at this tomorrow” because in various places that can mean different things depending on when each person’s night is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I still think the people that would benefit the most from this change are europeans. They are mostly borderless and often works across the member countries than spans 7 timezones, centered roughly around the utc. It's all benefits with very little downsides.

It takes very little imagination to realize that this would not be an issue.

There are a whole loads of minor annoyances related to this, most of them would vary depending on the local culture. In addition to that, not all countries are sufficiently globalized to realize the benefits of universal time, especially 3rd world countries. People living in those countries will experiences all the drawback with none of the benefits in their daily live.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think they mean concepts like morning and evening, or day and night would remain. The difference would be that in London, midnight would be 12:00am, but in San Fransisco, midnight would be... 16:00 / 4:00pm. Each timezone would have to adjust the numbers, in the same way the southern hemisphere considers January to be in the summer.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

isn't that just timezones with extra steps?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

That's usually the case.

I live and work on London time. If I want to have a phonecall with someone in the Philippines, I have to be mindful that 9am for me is 5pm for them, so I'll need to make the effort to start early to catch them while they're still at work.

Without timezones: If I want to have a phonecall with someone in the Philippines, I have to be mindful that their working day is 1am to 9am, so I'll need to make the effort to start early to catch them while they're still at work.

I'll still need to lookup when their working day is, I'll still have to adjust/account for it, and I'll still have to get up early / start work early to make that call. Getting rid of timezones doesn't get rid of that +8 or the affects of that +8, it just renames how we communicate it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I think the compromise would be the country/region that proposes global time should get the +12h offset. If the benefit really outweigh the pain for them, then they can deal with such a large offset themselves and spare the rest of the world from the brunt of the pain.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

nah, a 12-hour offset is boring and easy to deal with. give them a 6-hour offset.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

12h offset is where it causes the maximum confusion to society because the date changes right in the middle of the day. In our personal and professional live, we never considered the date can change right in the middle of the day, causing wide variety of minor inconvenience in our daily life. Some examples of minor inconveniences:

  • Celebrating new year at noon. No more firework shows (could be good for the environment?).
  • Is today your friend's birthday yet? Or is it in the afternoon?
  • should we celebrate christmas on 24th-25th or 25th-26th? Will Santa sneaks into our house at noon?
  • and possibly more minor inconveniences...
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