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What is clear, however, is that Trump — who ostensibly spent four years as president of the United States — has little clue about what NATO is or what NATO does. And when he spoke on the subject at a rally in South Carolina over the weekend, what he said was less a cogent discussion of foreign policy than it was gibberish — the kind of outrageous nonsense that flows without interruption from an empty and unreflective mind.

“One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay, and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’” Trump said, recalling an implausible conversation with an unnamed, presumably European head of state. “‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’” Trump recounted responding. “‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’”

The former president’s message was clear: If NATO members do not pay up, then he will leave them to the mercy of a continental aggressor who has already plunged one European country into death, destruction and devastation.

Except NATO isn’t a mafia protection racket. NATO, in case anyone needs to be reminded, is a mutual defense organization, formed by treaty in 1949 as tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union hardened into conflict. “The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all,” states Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Make no mistake…. He has NO CLUE what NATO is.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago (6 children)

"One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, 'Well, sir,

Imma stop it right there. It's always possible that someone, out of a general professional attitude or decorum, used that 'sir' wording, but I'll be damned if I've heard Trump use that word in a context that doesn't sound like he's just making some bullshit up.

I mean, he pretty much always sounds like he's making some shit up, but my point stands!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

NATO/potato from the Cheeto.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

To me Trump has no business commenting on NATO at all. He has no business commenting on anything I don't care if he was president. The man is a jackass and is way out of his depth. Why we tolerate it is insane.

Our politicians operate closer to nobility of a bygone era then they do of members of a republic. For this they deserve the guillotine.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You gotta pay your bills.

This fucking guy... LOL oh man that is something isn't it? The guy famous for never paying his bills says this about a REAL life and death situation... FUCK TRUMP

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

¿Por qué no los dos?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Trump supporters are more pathetic than the man himself. This is exemplified simply because this demonstration of his ineptitude as well as his various acts of indecency and immorality cannot and will not sway their opinion of the man.

The only way to change their opinion of him is for Trump himself to "go woke" so hard they no longer recognize him as their Cheeto covered Jesus.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Both sides though, right? I mean… we have one guy wanting to plunge America into absolute chaos by dismantling hundreds of years of progress and ending democracy as we know it just so he can protect his sad little crumbling empire of corruption….

And the other guy is old.

Totally comparable!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

And the other guy is slightly older

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Based on discourse online post the invasion of Ukraine, it seems there's a few Americans that don't know what NATO is/does, nor how it differentiates from how the US conducts its military. For starters, it's anti-militant—kind of the point—unless it has no other viable resort, and it's the threat of that last resort that bolsters the passive-security within NATO. It is safety in numbers and it fails if the herd scatters.

As a result, Article 5 has only needed to be acted upon once and the irony is that it was the US that raised the call for help and the other nations responded.

If Trump has his way, WW3 will kick off, everyone will suffer, and it'll end with the US saying, "Fucking hell. Wow. Let's not let that happen again. We need some sort of agreement to make sure of that."

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

D. Trump, traitor

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Remember in 2016 when Republican types were adamant that Hillary wouldn't be tough enough on Putin, and that Liberals were Communists? And that the Liberals would let Russia do whatever it wanted?

And now those same Republicans are outspoken against helping Ukraine, and want to let Russia just have it. Their preferred candidate wants to dismantle the organization of countries that stands as the United front against Russian expansion. Working deliberately and blatantly toward Putin's interests isn't a problem to them at all.

Back then, I thought that if there was a single (decent) principle they actually stand for, that would have been it. Apparently I was wrong.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Kompromat in the form of the RNC's emails that have not been leaked.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

At this point what could possibly be in those emails that their voters wouldn't just dismiss?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

At this point I suspect the main damage is done. But the dirt was found out a different way.

The big secret to hide was campaign funding and coordination. But Trump won anyway. Then didn't even get in trouble for it.

And later the Russia>>NRA dark money link was found and reported on. Without the media then going ape shit that the funnel was really Russia>>NRA>>GOP. And without any of the Biden administration cracking down on what happened.

So I suspect it's why they're all even more brazen now. Some of the dirt was found. It didn't amount to any punishment. So why bother trying to hide now?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

Emails that WikiLeaks apparently has but said "nah we're not going to release them because there's totes nothing in there trust us".

They could've been neutral and trustworthy. Instead they had an axe to grind against Hillary, and prioritized that over being known for objective truth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

He has this bizarre idea in his head that NATO is like one of his golf clubs with membership fees and not GDP pledges.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I can guarantee you that if it isn't a woman's ass we're talking about, there's no chance he's grasped it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

He doesn't care, he's doing what Putin tells him. Destabilise the western alliance

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Syphilis brain deterioration

[–] [email protected] 104 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The only time the mutual defence treaty was triggered is because the US was attacked and all countries in NATO stepped up to the plate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

And the attack was done by rogue non-state actors. Europe agreed to go burn a whole district because a thug who lived roughly there punched USA in the face. Now Europe faces an entire mafia from another town and Trump says "should've bought better gear, bye suckers".

[–] [email protected] 89 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not just stepped up to the plate, but went pretty much all-in on a COMPLETELY pointless invasion against what was almost certainly the wrong country.

That's how committed they were to NATO.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I am assuming you mean the Iraq war, but that was not a NATO operation, it just happened to have many NATO allies providing support, not all of them.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To your point, it was called the "Coalition of the willing". Article 5 was not invoked.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 157 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’”

Boy, that's rich coming from Il Douche.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 9 months ago (1 children)

From somebody being sued by their former attorney for not paying their bills

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

From somebody who was sued for not paying his contractors.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Doesn't he owe a bunch of cops money from like 2016 still?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Whether he knows what it is, is totally irrelevant. All he cares, is that he has something else he can hate on, something which his followers don't understand, so he can show them he's the man who stands up to people. Whether he is standing up to someone or not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

IE - moron's gonna moron

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Well, really what it comes down to is that Putin wants Nato dissolved, and Trump is Putin's lil bitch.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Can't lose what you never had. Its laughable to pretend that Trump ever had a clue as to what NATO is or does.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He thinks NATO is his slum tenants and fancies himself a mob boss getting paid protection money.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

If Putin doesn't like it, then Trump doesn't like it. He probably doesn't even know why.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He doesn't understand OUR military, how is he going to comprehend the utility of a trans-national mutual defense accord?

I'm frankly amazed he doesn't choke on his food, he's so fucking stupid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


And when he spoke on the subject at a rally in South Carolina over the weekend, what he said was less a cogent discussion of foreign policy than it was gibberish — the kind of outrageous nonsense that flows without interruption from an empty and unreflective mind.

“One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay, and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’” Trump said, recalling an implausible conversation with an unnamed, presumably European head of state.

The former president’s message was clear: If NATO members do not pay up, then he will leave them to the mercy of a continental aggressor who has already plunged one European country into death, destruction and devastation.

NATO, in case anyone needs to be reminded, is a mutual defense organization, formed by treaty in 1949 as tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union hardened into conflict.

Or consider the time, last November, when Trump confused China and North Korea, telling an audience of supporters in Florida that “Kim Jong Un leads 1.4 billion people, and there is no doubt about who the boss is.

And because no one now expects him to be a responsible political figure with a coherent vision for the country, it’s as if no one blinks an eye when he rants and raves on the campaign trail.


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