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Even a majority of Republicans support efforts to hold manufacturers accountable for allegedly deceptive claims

Concern about the fossil fuel and plastics industries’ alleged deception about recycling is growing, with new polling showing a majority of American voters, including 54% of Republicans, support legal efforts to hold the sectors accountable.

The industries have faced increasing scrutiny for their role in the global plastics pollution crisis, including an ongoing California investigation and dozens of suits filed over the last decade against consumer brands that sell plastics.

Research published earlier this year found that plastic producers have known for decades that plastic recycling is too cumbersome and expensive to ever become a feasible waste management solution, but promoted it to the public anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

In think plastic recycling is true and makes sense to do. I do it every week. However, all the plastic users need to act to limit it's use to functionality based requirements....can anything at all be used instead of plastic in this situation??? There's like 0 need to use plastic to box and ship things. Are you shipping an optic? Glass? A large flat TV? Okay there you should use plastics. Those plastics could be reusable first but also recyclable and the people selling the TV should be responsible for paying for the packaging to eventually get recycled. A watermelon 🍉 is way more fragile than a TV and we don't box those things. Only Costco has the brains to box fruit individually. That's just a waste.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Plastic recycling is a farce to make it appear as a “personal responsibility” issue.

Notice also how the labeling for plastics uses a sign that looks remarkably similar to a recycling logo - whether that specific type of plastic is actually recyclable or not.

It is all a public relation campaign, because fundamentally plastic is unsustainable and harmful. Governments have collectively shat the bed by placing the burden of dealing with plastic on the consumer. (This is very similar to the “carbon footprint” idea - which was a creation of the oil industry.)

I toured the place where my city collects its plastic recycling - the director in charge was very open about the fact that most of it isn’t used and can’t really be used anyway.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Significantly reducing our reliance on plastics cannot be taken on as a single issue or at the local or even national level.

Plastics are a byproduct of the fossil fuel industry.

That’s the only reason materials which were marketed to people as miraculous in the 40s, 50s and 60s are so cheap.

The extraction industry is global, and the production of plastics is as well.

Even if one nation reduced its fossil fuel and plastic consumption significantly, there will be other nations that will take the opportunity to get that cheap energy, materials and industry.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Global solutions are nice to ask for, but not forthcoming. We can start by investing in alternatives at the local/national level, encouraging others to do the same, and advocating to grow an alternative way of living that is less extractive and more respectful. Ideas can spread quite quickly, if the conditions are right. A global switch isn't possible immediately. Infrastructure must be planned. International economic planning and international cooperation are low right now. Even intranational cooperation is low.

Cooperation grows from the bottom up, and we need to find something locally/nationally to agree on and cooperate over. Plastics and recycling being a unifying issue is hopeful to report, and is something that can be tackled at the local level. I have greatly reduced my own plastic consumption (it's not zero) and saved money doing it. Plastic products are usually expensive conveniences. Now I spend my days cleaning instead of just tossing and moving on. A part of the problem is that living well requires labor, and our society forces us to sell all of our labor energy to make a boss rich and pay us pennies. Further, we all live in atomized, nuclear units that must be self-reliant, which requires more labor to meet needs compared to the economies of scale involved with community-pooled labor to meet shared needs like food (a major source of plastics waste).

Previously, western society supported this structure via sexual segregation where one sex provided the labor to live well, and the other provided the labor donated to capitalism in exchange for the family unit being allowed to live. Then, the sex whose job it was to help us live well realized that they were being oppressed in this scenario, since they were being denied many basic rights of citizenship such as being seen as a person by society. They were tricked by the capitalists to demand that they may also donate their labor to the invisible hand in exchange for something closer to full citizenship. This creates a domestic labor vacuum that prevents pay parity. Domestic labor needs are being suppressed by convenience plastic use. The need for someone to do domestic labor causes women to fall back into this role due to the structural vacuum. Convenience plastics use is required to support the lack of time available now that Bosses demand double the labor from each family unit compared to the 1960s. Dropping plastics increases domestic labor requirements which exacerbates the sexual labor vacuum and pay gap. I see a local/national need to fix sexual issues as blocking a fix for our plastics addiction in the west. Abstracting the problematic societal structures around sex, calling them gender, and then breaking their rules is the current strategy to free ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I disagree, but this is a cool reply and you should keep posting like this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I mean, i get it, recycled plastic is harder to handle, etc. etc. But burning them for energy is no business?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Put a per gram tax on every manufactured product and watch how companies magically find alternative materials/methods to make goods.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You mean: how they will raise prices to account for that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

"They'll just raise prices" is corporate propaganda. Making them raise prices for carrying on using plastic is the whole point.

Other people will make packaging out of something else, and the people still stubbornly using plastic will see their sales go down.

You just have to make the tax large enough to encourage the use of other materials, and keep raising it once other materials become the norm. Otherwise you just see that 2.5% charge become a 5% price rise and everyone just carries on.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We need to put some of these CEOs on trial like we did with the Nazi's hopefully all of them will get their just punishment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I was just following orders.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Use to make machines for the plastic industry. None of them wanted tp use recycled plastic, because raw plastic pellets were cheaper and recycled plastic was harsher on the machines.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Recycled plastic is also terrible if you have any type of quality standards you have to meet. You generally end up creating even more scrap because the regrind always has some amount of contamination in it, and never performs the same as virgin.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

That's why recycling goes after reduce and reuse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Yep. When we made recycled units, the bearings got shredded and the drive motors got burnt out faster.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Recycled plastic is also inferior quality with worse structural properties so it's not really suitable for many applications.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yep, regrind was bad.

Not saying anyone shouldn't recycle. Just saying in our world of cheap is God, why fight?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Don't worry, the industry wants looser rules on what can be considered recyclable. They want to be able to label things as recyclable even if the majority of people do not have access to a recycling facility that can recycle it. Fuck them. Honestly, we should force them to be the ones to recycle the plastic if they want to label it as recyclable.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Most US voters say" AKA Not Gonna Happen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Yeah we have a government that represents corporations.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

But the Republicans are going to vote for the guy who will sell them down the river Jan 20st 2025.

Fucking.

Morons.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

All companies should be required to recycle their own products. No.. not via contracts with 3rd parties. Products go back up through the sales channels untill they reach the manufacturers.

If you don't have an idea how your products end of life works, you cannot sell or manufacture it.

Solves e-waste, plastic, chemicals.. a lot of the god awful stuff.

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