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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/19466667

Money, Mods, and Mayhem

The Turning Point

In 2024, Reddit is a far cry from its scrappy startup roots. With over 430 million monthly active users and more than 100,000 active communities, it's a social media giant. But with great power comes great responsibility, and Reddit is learning this lesson the hard way.

The turning point came in June 2023 when Reddit announced changes to its API pricing. For the uninitiated, API stands for Application Programming Interface, and it's basically the secret sauce that allows third-party apps to interact with Reddit. The new pricing model threatened to kill off popular third-party apps like Apollo, whose developer Christian Selig didn't mince words: "Reddit's API changes are not just unfair, they're unsustainable for third-party apps."

Over 8,000 subreddits went dark in protest.

The blackout should have reminded Reddit’s overlords of a crucial fact: Reddit’s success was built on the backs of its users. The platform had cultivated a sense of ownership among its community, and now that community was biting back.

One moderator summed it up perfectly: “We’re the ones who keep this site running, and we’re being ignored.” 

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[–] [email protected] 186 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

Best thing to ever happen on reddit is the guy that posted on askreddit how to set the site language back to English because he accidentally set it to Spanish... and everyone posted their replies only in Spanish.

That was peak reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

Will Reddit seize this opportunity? Or will it continue down its current path of self-destruction?

HAHAhahahaha

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago

It gives me great joy to be reading this via Boost.

[–] [email protected] 119 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I think that this article is accurate and sensible.

There's a point that I'd like to add, that the author doesn't mention: user trust.

The main value of an online platform is the user trust, as it dictates the users' willingness to help building it instead of vandalising it. In Reddit's case it means people writing well-thought posts, moderating communities, reporting content, using the voting system, etc.

And user trust is violated every time that a platform takes user-hostile decisions. Like Reddit has been taking for almost a decade; with 2023's APIcalypse being a big example of that, but only one among many.

And when user trust is violated, it's almost impossible to come back. John Bull explains this well, with the Trust Thermocline; but the basic idea is that those violations pile up invisibly upon a certain point, when they suddenly become a big deal and the platform bleeds users like there's no tomorrow. And once it reaches that point it's practically impossible to come back.

So perhaps we aren't watching Reddit die. Nor we will, in the future - because Reddit is already dead. What we're watching instead, with morbid curiosity, is a headless chicken running around, while we place some bets on when it will stop moving - so venture capital can have its dinner.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I can’t pinpoint when Reddit died in my eyes. But I can say the long road to where it is today started with Reddit Gold.

Reddit Gold was a minor change that didn’t do much of anything besides offer a way to collect money directly from the user base. But it was the start of monetizing the site and every decision by Reddit management after that point furthered that monetization at the expense of everything else.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I didn't mind Reddit gold as a method of paying for upkeep on an ostensibly free site. If well-off Redditors wanted to chip in to help with maintenance resulting in fewer or less intrusive ads then that's grand.

The point when they started losing me was when the Reddit front page modernised into the Instagram feed looking abomination it is today and when they shifted from Reddit gold to the silver diamond thing they have now. No I don't want to make an avatar. No I don't want to follow users or have them follow me.

It started as the last example of old social media like forums and got metric'd into this half-formed freak of a site that seems to actively resent the users that build and maintain their entire platform.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So perhaps we aren’t watching Reddit die. Nor we will, in the future - because Reddit is already dead. What we’re watching instead, with morbid curiosity, is a headless chicken running around, while we place some bets on when it will stop moving - so venture capital can have its dinner.

Well put

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And also because the only other place my niche interests have communities is discord

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

Reddit was cool. Reddit management had Head Up Ass Syndrome, though. Reminds me of some other social sites too lol.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (4 children)

they'll be fine. as evidenced by twitter, there is absolutely no amount of enshittification that will make some people leave

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I keep seeing YouTubers who host their own subreddits still mentioning Reddit a lot in their videos. Yeah, some people probably don't even care what happened.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, I never used digg and didn't know about it's history. It seems like they could have easily fought back bots with captchas, email verification, phone verification and so on.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Phone verification? In 2010? Only 20% of US citizens had a smartphone in 2010. That kind of verification was extremely rare at the time. Privacy was still very much a thing, sites that requested personal data like that was regarded with suspicion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I mean phone number verification like steam does. It's only one of many possibilities when you are a major company.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Fuck, I remember Yahoo.

It was never cool but in the stone age it was hip for about 30 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Weirdly enough, I never cared for Yahoo. Back in the late 90s, their homepage was a cluttered mess

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I missed digg. I was on fark before reddit and somehow fark is still around and hasn't changed at all

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Slashdot is still kicking around too. Remember the Slashdot effect?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Hasn't Twitter lost ~30 million active users, about 10%, since Musk bought it? Plus there's probably going to be a couple million more gone from the Brazil ban.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm still running Sync for Reddit using a patch from Vanced. I don't know why I even bother. That site has gone so far downhill from 10-15 years ago. People used to get flamed for not reading an article or using improper grammar. Comments were, more often than note, well thought out and articulate. Now, the site is a cesspool or memes and idiocracy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You want flaming for improper grammar, you have 2 flagrant violations in this post which absolutely does not detract from your message. You better continue going about your day not being bothered by this at all. Geez!

(I'm sure I made mistakes here too, go ahead)

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My favorite of the protests was DnDmemes becoming a goblin porn subreddit, and the final reply of the main mod "I shitposted me way in here, I'll shitpost my way out". That and demanding a d20 roll for persuasion(?) from the admins

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago

I liked pics becoming nothing but sexy pictures of John Oliver, with the notice that all pictures of John Oliver are sexy pictures of John Oliver.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And now they're teeming with bots* and drove away the power users. Look how many posts and comments they've lost in the last year just from me alone.

Edit:

The beauty of Reddit was its decentralized structure.
Users created and moderated their own communities with freedom and autonomy, and it led to an explosion of niche interests and discussions. Want to debate the finer points of medieval weaponry? There's a subreddit for that. Obsessed with pictures of birds with human arms photoshopped onto them? Yep, there's a subreddit for that too.

Took a bit but I'm glad we found the actual decentralized structure we needed

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Corpos gonna corpo, there is a lesson here folks but people reading this right now, already know this.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I remember when they kicked mods off their platform when the subreddits went private on the API retaliation. Now quite a few are on here. Meanwhile, some of those subreddits are still having issues moderating.

Personally I think mods should be rotated once in a while by the community instead of giving power to them indefinitely on communities. But reddit really messed up there. Some mods are mods of hundreds of subreddits which is silly and unsustainable.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's such a mess. I mean spez is an ass, but some of those career mods were just as bad. Moderating hundreds of subs because they enjoy the power. And you can tell that was the case when they'd harass random people because they did some little thing that upset them.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 4 months ago (6 children)

And Spez's response?

"OMG! STOP GOING DARK OR I AND MY LEGION OF SLIME ADMINS WILL REMOVE YOU FROM POWAH!"

And so he did which is why some subreddits came back from being dark. Some subreddits submitted to their own fates. Other subreddits reluctantly came back, proving the protest was just a mere farce that amounted to a nothingburger.

And what did Spez do after the whole fiasco? Why, he punched Reddit into now being Public. Completing what people had long speculated that he'd do.

And what did Spez do after that? He's now rolling out the concept that Subreddits will be monetized.

Spez has ultimately learned nothing from these incidents and expects it to get better, with that stupid shit eating grin on his face because he huffs and breathes in all of Musk's farts.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Spez has ultimately learned nothing

He’s learned he can do this shit and make money. It may not be a perpetual money machine. But he now has enough and will milk it for all that’s left. That’s what he’s learned.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And he's getting rich off of it too. I mean, that's his whole gain, right? Money! He's given his soul for money. The whole community hates him, but at least he's gotten rich now. I'm sure reddit's annual founders parties must be a hoot.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

For a group of so-called intellectuals and rowdy revolutionists, Reddit users seem to have a knack for taking it up dry than doing anything about their problems.

I guess that is truly Reddit's nature.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

he huffs and breathes in all of Musk’s farts

This is comedic gold. But the bad part? I envisioned it. Thanks a lot.

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[–] [email protected] 160 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They banned bots from WholesomeMemes and there were no posts for 2 days. Dead Internet is now, and it's at Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Fuck reddit ...fuck the mods who abuse their power. Fuck the bots. Fuck the corporate greed bs. The admins have always been cool to me until I was perma ban. But kind of seem like nice folks.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Thank you for all your posts here

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