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Racism Is Why Trump Is So Popular (theintercept.com)
submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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TO UNDERSTAND THE rise of Donald Trump, you don’t need to go to a diner in the Midwest or read “Hillbilly Elegy,” J.D. Vance’s memoir.

You just need to know these basic facts:

In 1980, white people accounted for about 80 percent of the U.S. population.

In 2024, white people account for about 58 percent of the U.S. population.

Trump appeals to white people gripped by demographic hysteria. Especially older white people who grew up when white people represented a much larger share of the population. They fear becoming a minority.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also, I wanted to say that the more open Trump is about racism, the more he will turn people off. There are a lot of people who are pretty much racists, but they would never admit it, even to themselves. These are people who cross the street when they see a black man coming toward them, but would never dream of saying the N-word and think Martin Luther King had a dream about something involving ending racism and that was good.

Those people will not want to be associated with Trump and Vance the more overt they get.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (9 children)

This is an interesting question - if you're lying to yourself about being racist, and won't condone racist policies and you know, act in a way to not look racist... Like a philosophical P zombie, are you for all external functional (maybe limited to politically) purposes not racist?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (12 children)

In 2024, white people account for about 58 percent of the U.S. population.

Especially now that you can "become black."

That said, I wonder if someone like Obama is counted in the "white people" part of that statistic. He should. He's as white as he is black, just like Kamala Harris is as Indian as she is black.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Especially now that you can "become black."

Well, if they're all so scared that white males are the most discriminated against, they should all become black women. Problem solved!

/S, of course.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Not a bad plan! Let's get them to work on it!

Anyway- I am definitely going to enjoy spending the next few months letting Republicans know that Obama is white based on Trump's own ideas of race.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

we got ourselves a sherlock over here

[–] [email protected] -5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The elderly need to SIT DOWN. It’s not their planet anymore, and they need to get over it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fine, we can compromise. Nobody over 75 or under 30 is allowed to vote. Deal?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

"No, not like that!"

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

What is the age cutoff before you start being elderly?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have some bad news for you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do feel like an old man sometimes, but considering I'm 47, I don't think I count as elderly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I was at a restaurant a couple weeks back and realized I'm frighteningly close to the "55+ senior menu."

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're conflating "elderly" with "racist." Ageism is also a thing, check yourself.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

This has nothing to do with “ageism”, which is a statistical idea applied individually. I’m discussing statistics applied to the appropriate population. I’m discussing the idea that a population, which holds no interest in the outcome of a decision, should stay the hell out of that decision. Check yourself.

I have no problem with elderly voting. My question is why do they vote?

This is why the right keeps attacking social security; to keep folks who don’t actually have a stake in the future at the voting booths. Then, en masse, they vote against equality and the very future of our planet’s surface all because of outdated ideologies. Because of their self-centeredness, they hold back progress.

WHY do they vote when they won’t be here to see the result? Do they think the generations that will are too stupid to govern themselves?

Dwell on it a bit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This has nothing to do with “ageism”, which is an statistical idea applied individually.

While I disagree with that statement, especially in this context, I'm glad to see that you understand the difference between discussing statistics about a demographic population (identified by observation of past events) and inappropriately applying those statistics to an individual.

When you said

The elderly need to SIT DOWN. It’s not their planet anymore, and they need to get over it.

You were insisting on specific future actions ("SIT DOWN" and "get over it"). Actions are taken by individuals. Age is a characteristic that individuals do not have control of. It is not a decision, and we don't cast aspersions on people for things they do not have control of.

I think there are better ways to say the thing you intended to say, without being ageist.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

That true, actually where I grew up there were few orange people, but lately I noticed some people elected one !

Btw I am an antiracist so I will not descriminate but please dear U.S.A. citizens do not vote for this orange guy.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 9 months ago (1 children)

John Brown didn't get to kill enough slavers, that's why we're all here. We gave the racists a little rope, and now they're trying to hang us with it. Been that way ever since Reconstruction ended.

Opposition to racism must be enduring. It must be absolute. It can brook no compromise, because compromise is tacit agreement to the validity (however small or marginal) of the opposition's point, and racism is based on an absurdity. And when a society starts validating absurdities... well, look at Trump.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

and the fact the confederacy was allowed to “live ~~in~~ on” in memory as heritage, and allowed statues honouring traitors to the United States

If you allow confederate statues to honour enemies of the country, why are there no statues honouring the british red coats from the war of independence? Where are the statues honouring soviet spies executed for espionage?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean there should at least be a statue commemorating when we future Canadians had most of DC burning, including the White House and Capitol.

:p

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Fun fact: There is a statue in honor of famous traitor Benedict Arnold... kinda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Monument

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Constructed largely after the cowards were all dead, in the civil rights era. And yet some people still insist that it's 'history' to leave them standing instead of a blatant attempt to cement the United States as a 'White Man's' polity.

Fuck them.

If you allow confederate statues to honour enemies of the country, why are there no statues honouring the british red coats from the war of independence? Where are the statues honouring soviet spies executed for espionage?

Let's make some 9/11 memorials to commemorate those brave hijackers too.

It's fucking absurd, and while I know HOW it got started, I don't know how it got started. You know what I mean? Like, I understand the conditions that led to the rise of Lost Causer nonsense, but I just can't wrap my fucking head around the idea that everyone just fucking normalized it. Like, even if you are a racist (as most 19th century Americans were to at least some degree), what the fuck kind of lunatic country commemorates the 'heroism' of literal traitors and secessionists who killed hundreds of thousands of our countrymen?

Sherman didn't burn enough.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They fear becoming a minority.

They/we were often the minority but still held all the power.

We're simply terrified that in becoming the minority now, Black and Brown people would start treating us like we've treated them for hundreds of years.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We’re simply terrified that in becoming the minority now, Black and Brown people would start treating us like we’ve treated them for hundreds of years.

That is definitely a huge part of it. And it's total projection like so much else they believe. "They'll get revenge because we would get revenge."

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