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Crunch time in ‘veepstakes’ as Kamala Harris prepares to choose running mate (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think it's going to be Walz. He shores up 3 must win states, Shapiro can help them win Pennsylvania.

Wisconsin and Michigan are absolute must wins, Walz makes those pretty much a lock.

Hammer the Fat Ass and Couch-Fucker weirdos on: Abortion, Project 2025, and stopping the border bill from being passed at every stump seat, shit take the campaign to college campuses and get the youngsters all pissed off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

How does Tim Walz make Wisconsin and Michigan a lock? Is it simply that they’re neighboring states with a known similarity in demographics, or is there more I don’t know about Walz? (there’s almost definitely more I don’t know about Walz, haha)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I think Buttigieg, Whitmer, Pritzker are bottom tier and I'd be really surprised.

Beshear and Walz I think are the next tier, they don't bring a state along with them but they're solid politicians, safe choices.

Kelly and Shapiro are the top tier.

Kelly can help tip/solidify AZ and he has border cred and military experience, probably my top choice and I think you just have to deal with the Senate thing.

Shapiro has been extremely pro-Israel, that exacerbates a party issue and could turn off some voters on the Left, and that's a bigger concern to me than losing the Senate seat which is why he's not my top pick, but you also have to realize that PA is almost the whole ballgame this year. If Harris can win PA and the obvious states then she just needs one of Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Whitmer has publicly said she is not being vetted

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Why must the man be named Shapiro, my mind keeps jumping to Ben "mr. facts & logic"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Buttigieg is a standalone and has been one of the best representations of this administration out there, and huge boon to the Democratic party as well. Not sure why you'd say that.

Whitmer is very popular in her state. Pritzker is meh.

I think you may be a bit behind on some of these folks. You should read up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Buttigieg is an excellent communicator but he doesn't have the bio, yet. Mayor followed by being appointed to a low level cabinet position is nothing compared to Governors and Senators who were elected state-wide.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Uhhhh, no...

Harvard Grad, Oxford Rhodes Scholar, who then went into US Naval Intelligence Reserve, became a mayor, deployed while mayor to Afghanistan, then came back and decided he wanted to keep doing public service, ran for US President, and is now Transportation Secretary and Cabinet Member.

Sounds like a pretty fucking solid resume to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ivory tower elite who became mayor of a nothing city in his 20s with less than 11k votes, sweet talked Party Bosses enough to get the nepotism cabinet slot formerly given to Mitch McConnell's wife and Bob Dole's wife.

I like him, I just don't think he'd be a good VP pick. Let him run for Michigan's US Senator (or Governor if Whitmer runs for president), now that he lives there. Winning statewide in a swing state is a resume builder.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Whitmer is top tier but unless she's been heavily bluffing, she withdrew herself for consideration.

I'd also place Buttigieg in top tier, but also agree it's coming down to Kelly vs. Shapiro. I think they should go Kelly or Buttigieg over Shapiro but I bet they go Shapiro.

Ideally you'd combine: Kelly's background with Buttigieg's debate skills with Shapiro's public speaking skills with Walz's candor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, Whitmer withdrew because she wants to keep working directly in her state. Unfortunately, it would be very unlikely to have a two woman ticket get elected in the US currently as well, so with Harris, they've done the calculations and basically said it has to be a white guy, also probably straight, so unfortunately, I doubt Pete would be the pick either. Sucks, but that's how it is due to some people who live in this country right now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I personally don't buy that a gay guy or 2 woman ticket is unelectable. Frankly I remember people saying the same thing about a black guy or a woman in general. I think in this era of MeToo and post-Roe especially that there's nothing wrong with that. Especially when 99/100 racist sexist homophobic scum are already voting Trump anyway.

I hope those of us who support democrats don't get in our own way and inadvertently gatekeep good candidates because of what we fear maga will think.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

All I know is the Fediverse community will be disappointed by anyone picked. I've read bad things about everyone in contention here. People also have their favorites, but not a single candidate is ideologically pure enough.

Hopefully people will still vote even though the Democrats will once again fail to elevate a perfect person that agrees with the policy preferences of every reader here who dislikes Trump and Vance.

Once there is ranked choice voting, we'll finally get the perfect candidate elected. Until then, we may have to compromise.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

I don't compromise on genocide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You're ready bad things about Pete Buttigieg and Mark Kelly? Hell, seems everyone LOVES Tim Walz as well.

Please, spill on these horrible things you've heard about these people, because I've heard none.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's low hanging fruit to find one thing bad said about anybody, but these are the impressions I have gotten. Hell, a lot of people were against Harris before Biden stepped down. Seems the latter leaving made her more palatable.

People really do seem to love Walz because he's a progressive. People really seem to hate Shapiro because of Gaza.

Kelly: https://lemm.ee/comment/13665163 Buttigieg: https://lemmy.world/comment/11519184

Edit to add this timely story which includes UAW criticizing Kelly: https://apnews.com/article/harris-vp-shapiro-kelly-walz-beshear-pritzker-be228f0efdb87954769232a4fb0f4362

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Mark Kelly is super moderate - that's the only negative thing about him as far as I know. It's possible his moderation was more about being elected in AZ and he might be free to be more left-leaning if he were on a national stage, but that's like... not usually how it goes.

For Pete, it's more of an "electibility" question - whether him being a gay man would turn off some voters? I would love to think we're passed that on the left, but it's an untested assumption.

And just to be clear, Pete and Mark are actually my top picks for VP, on a personal level. I'm just playing Trump's advocate for the sake of discussion.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

She’ll interview some of the six finalists this weekend — but I suspect that’s mainly to create drama and excitement. She already chose.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Whoever she picks, it can’t possibly be as bad of a choice as Ol’ Couch Fucker.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What about a guy who helped cover up a murder? I think she’s still considering him. Him being Josh Shapiro.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago

And the one that volunteered for the idf.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

They really are regretting picking that weirdo.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That's a pretty fun article.

Are there names being thrown around?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

...yeah. They're all mentioned in the article.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Those four guys are the only people they're considering?

Figured there'd be other talk on the streets.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There were eight total, two bowed out.

Not sure what you're expecting when they only had a few weeks to do so. These are all some pretty top choices though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Not expecting much, just curious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

The contenders to be named before a joint rally in Philadelphia on Tuesday were widely reported to include four governors – Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, Andy Beshear of Kentucky, Tim Walz of Minnesota and JB Pritzker of Illinois – one senator, Mark Kelly of Arizona; and one member of Biden’s cabinet, Pete Buttigieg, the transportation secretary.

6 people. Nobody else really mentioned except Whitmer but she would be a long shot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Everything about politics makes me feel like I'm a part of something awful.