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The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.
Overall, the dissent is good. But it makes 1 fundamental mistake of constitutional analysis:
The Constitution cannot be evaded by such formalistic distinctions
As I recall, Gavin Newsom has basically been pushing to look at available shelter space, and clear portions of encampments based on that available space. Problem has been, legally, CA couldn’t clear encampments unless it could demonstrate that it had beds for everyone. As a result, CA has a lot of unclaimed shelter beds. Some counties don’t have enough for everyone, but they do have enough to start moving large portions of people inside.
That said, the conversations around this seem to miss one of the fundamental reasons why people are not excited take a shelter bed. Many shelters have been dirty, hostile, or down right unsafe. People have felt safer in tent communities where they could know and chose their neighbors.
I’m of two minds on this. The all or nothing rule on shelter beds was weird, but shelters need to be safe, help people get care, let people keep belongings, and not kick people out every morning at the crack of dawn.
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state's rights is some fake ass bullshit
In Star Trek, there were Sanctuary Districts to herd all the undesirables to in the 2020s.
In reality, we can't even be bothered to do that.
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Can we get a class action lawsuit to sue for housing? Isn't this almost entrapment like if the government doesn't supply space for people to sleep but the population is still growing and the border isn't completely sealed(not my solution I want) then shouldn't the government be forced to build new homes or at least bunkhouses?
I'd think that for a blanket no-homelessness policy to be even reasonably humane, each person would need a right of address, even a 50 sqft. parcel of public land in/by the town of choosing which they can call their domicile.
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Could just show up to your town's zoning board meetings and keep hammering them each and every time they turn down a residential permit application
"That includes California, which is home to one-third of the country’s homeless population."
Why do these statements never follow immediately stating that California is also 10% of the ENTIRE country's population and it's where all of the livable weather is if you have no option but to sleep outside. Of course a lot of them are in California. We need a new deal.
I see people living homeless outside in New England daily, even in the winter. That discrepancy has to be fed by more than just weather.
What discrepancy?
Are you implying that the presence of any homeless people in New England invalidates the idea that consistently favorable weather leads to a higher ratio of homeless people living in an area?
Probably also matters long term vs short term. When someone first becomes homeless, it usually happens where they were already living regardless of the weather. Over time, people may move to where it is more comfortable to sleep outside.
So, all cities have new homeless people plus some that just never leave. And then warm areas have new homeless people plus the long term homeless people who risked traveling to get to warmer temperatures.
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Isn't the average home price in California more than double the average of New England?
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For communities that do this, the goal is to...
A) Drive out the homeless so they go to other, more charitable communities, and become someone else's problem, and then...
B) Point out the higher rate of homelessness (and higher taxes necessary to deal with it) in those other communities and say, "Look how awful those communities are!"
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Think I will donate some money and my homemade scarfs to a shelter this weekend. Clearly our Christian government isnt going to help guess it is up to us atheists.
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You probably don't choose to be homeless, but you do choose where to put your tent.
Sleeping is a biological necessity. So is shitting. WHY CAN'T I SHIT WHEREVER I WANT?! America sucks.
So. Unless you have permission to be on someone's private real estate, to you're now forbidden to sleep. Nothing dystopian about that.
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Fucking conservatives
This is really interesting in contrast to where I live in Ontario, Canada. A municipality wanted an injunction to make it crystal clear they could evict a homeless encampment on municipal property. Instead, they got a judgement that doing so would violate those people's Charter rights. This ruling means basically every municipality in the province now legally has to do something about the homelessness crisis.
Same thing in BC... In the Prince George encapment case, it was ruled that unless there are enough shelter beds that are sufficiently accessible by the affected population, they are allowed to stay in the Lower Patricia encampment.
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Well now this really makes for a trio of facts that paint a horrifying picture:
- Private, for profit prisons exist
- Prison slave labour is legal
- Homelessness can now be made illegal
Guess I should buy some stocks in companies that use prison labour.
- Verizon uses inmates to provide telecommunication services.
- Fidelity Investments uses some held assets to fund the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), an organization that promotes inmate work.
- Kmart and JCPenney use inmate labor in Tennessee to make denim products.
- Walmart uses prison labor to clean barcodes so products can be resold.
- Some cheese and fish from Whole Foods comes from prison labor.
- Circuit boards from IBM come from Texas prisoners.
- Wendy's and McDonald's use prison labor to process beef for their food products.
- Amazon uses BOP labor for cleaning and sorting damaged goods
Add Raytheon to that list.
Edit: Downvoted for stating a fact..
Also Idaho potatoes are largely prison labor. McD's and Five Guys buy a lot of them
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Anecdotes aside, prison stocks skyrocketed after Trump's election. Anybody wonder why?
The fact that prisons have stocks..
Back in my day, the stocks were kept in the public square.
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It smaller towns the homeless could protest this by just camping out in Central Park openly. If they arrest them all the jails will fill up pretty quickly and the costs would be higher than if you paid for all of their rent
You can predict the outcome of this court's decisions with two questions:
A: Will it cause chaos?
B: Is it cruel?
They seem to feel it's bonus points if the answer to both is yes.
Talk about kicking someone when already down..