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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (21 children)

So, I live in a European country where our right-wing politics would probably be considered "left" by Republican Americans.

I vote sort of central. Not too left, not too right. Even though I disagree with many things that our rightwinged politicians stand for, I can see some merit in them at times. The same with our left-leaning politicians.

When I see discussions among Americans, it seems to me either party just hates the other party, automatically calling them bigoted. And it comes across as a heavily divided country without any hope for reconciliation.

So 2 questions: Republicans: is there any democratic strength you wish your party would implement?

And democrats: is there any republican strength that you wish your party would implement?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I just searched for what the US Republicans actually want:

The positions of the Republican Party have evolved over time. Currently, the party's fiscal conservatism includes support for lower taxes, gun rights, government conservatism, free market capitalism, free trade, deregulation of corporations, and restrictions on labor unions.

No, absolutely no redeeming qualities here.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

I used to believe the Republican party brought much needed conservatism to the table. There were reasonable concerns that the Democratic party was too heavy handed with implementing morality and over reaching laws. The Democratic party has mostly been in the right side of social permissivness since then and the Republican party has gone fucking crazy Reactionary which they have rebranded as "Conservative". It has become an intersection dynamic where the Democratic party has become a coalition of progressives and conservatives, who just to want to keep the rights they have. Unfortunately there are many "Team R" fans that don't recognize that their party no longer represents them.

So short answer, the Democratic party has already absorbed the strengths of the Republican party.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

"I LOVE MONEY, TOO, YOU BIG MEANIES!"

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ahh log cabin republicans, too republican for the gays, too gay for the republicans.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Part of the effectiveness of the Republican Party as an institution is creating these little hot-house varieties of conservative that get to pretend they're secretly running things while everyone else is being made a useful idiot.

The billionaire plutocrats think they're outwitting the evangelicals. The evangelicals think they've corralled the neocons. The neocons are convinced they've duped the suburanites. The suburbanites are convinced they've carved out a Lebensraum that's safe from the ravages of corporate capitalism. Everyone is selling one another a bill of goods and hoping to get their slice before the pie is handed back to the Democrats.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 5 months ago

Oh dude the shit I flipped when I figured out the cult I grew up in was a cult? It was not pretty. I get it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So do we want them to denounce the fucked up shit other R do that they disagree with or not???

[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 months ago

Tribal psychology is a helluva drug.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Stupid as this is, at least he worked it out? I'm a little impressed.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No he didn't:

...and arguing that they don't represent Republican views.

He's still in fucking denial.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

The gay Republican I know is also deep in denial. Sad to see in all honesty

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Don’t be too impressed. He still a Republican.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

we should support any move in the right direction though, however small

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Did he actually “move” in any direction, though?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

It's more sitting in right direction

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago

What a sad confused man

[–] [email protected] 137 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm baffled how anyone that isn't a straight white male with money convinces themselves they're part of the Republican Club.

All these people grasping at party acceptance are doing is screaming "hey I'm a piece of shit too!"

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I'm a school bus driver and I work with a few Trump-supporting lesbians. It's no mystery why: they really, really hate black people and that hatred blinds them to any possible conception of their own self-interest. For good measure they're also staunchly pro-union.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Bruh, same team, same fight.

How could they not see how hypocritical that is?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Most people will not admit to themselves that they are wrong.

It’s as simple as that.

We are all most people about something.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 5 months ago (2 children)

“Messages of hate, bigotry, and government control over people’s lives are not Republican or Christian,” Republican Douglas County Commissioner Abe Laydon said with a straight face.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

To give this dude credit, from the rest of the quote in the article it sounds like he's genuinely standing up against this sort of hate, and I expect it's at a very tangible personal cost. I find it almost unbelievable that anyone who genuinely opposes hate of a sort that's become a part of the absolute fabric of modern conservatism could still be a Republican, but apparently this dude is the exception. I hope he has the sense to get out now, but I'll take what genuine progress I can get given I've largely written off most conservatives as a lost cause.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He's a conservative. He only opposes the hate that personally affects him.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Generally I'd agree, but the guy being quoted here isn't the candidate in question. From what we know in the article he isn't gay himself (though it's certainly possible), nor does it mention anything about people he personally knows being gay. Given only the context of the article, it sounds like he's genuinely just standing up for gay folks despite what his party overwhelmingly preaches. If that's indeed the case I think he deserves credit. And like I said, I hope this leads him toward realizing that his party is a lost cause for genuinely compassionate people and that he should take this opportunity to jump ship.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but this sort of tells you the core essence of that party. A lack of empathy. As long as it doesn't affect them personally, they're happy to ignore others' suffering.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I completely agree - the party is absolutely wretched on a fundamental level and needs to be voted out of relevance. Like I replied to another comment here, however, it sounds like the guy being quoted here (not the gay Republican candidate) is just some guy speaking out against the hate in his party. From the limited context given in the article, he's not doing it because of anyone in his personal life (though that could turn out to be the case). There's obviously some cognitive dissonance there for him to think he's going to change their minds, but I give him credit for even trying.

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[–] [email protected] 219 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Archuleta himself, though, has a history of anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric. He previously blamed LGBTQ+ individuals for the Club Q shooting and said that queer people are “groomers” – or child sex abusers – a negative stereotype that has been used to justify hatred and discrimination.

Bruh.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Something to think about is that there are men who see a benefit to gayness being something you can be social ostracized for, because it enables them to have gay sex freely with the knowledge that if there partners ever tell anyone about it they'll suffer repercussions.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Sounds deranged. If it was NOT socially ostracized they would NOT need to rely on the partner being ostracized.

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[–] [email protected] 161 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sounds like some deeply, deeply internalized self-hatred going on there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Not necessarily? The dude is gay, LGBT+ and queer covers a lot more than gay. Maybe he just hates the other ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Maybe he just hates the other ones

living over 40 years as a gay man has taught me plenty to hate the other ones too. lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Which part of the lgbt community are groomers?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's the ones that are also republicans.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Gay Old Pedophiles

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Why are you asking me that question? Ask the dude in the article, he's the one who believes it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There's weirdly a lot of fractures within the LGBTQ+ community, there's a joke that the letters are "in order of preference" and quite a lot of the gay community doesn't recognise trans people, or thinks Bi folks are just gay but won't admit it and things like that.

An ex of mine was bi and I got exposed to a lot of this shit because of the amount of shit she got from some of her lesbian friends over dating a man. It really shocked me because it's completely against your own interests to become the very thing that's opressed you and your kin, yet here we are - gay republicans.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago

Not a bad take. Identity is definitely a spectrum of sorts. We all have limits to our acceptance level.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago

No, no. You see, he's just one of the good ones. If the rest of them were just like him, there wouldn't be an issue.

/s

[–] [email protected] 109 points 5 months ago

Did . . . did he ask anyone? I mean, basically anyone could have told him.

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