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Been thinking of making a post like this for some time, apologies if some of this is not completely relevant: this community seems more like it's about Reddit the platform/product than Reddit the social "thing", but I'm sure a lot of people have similar experiences to mine. Maybe on some instances more than others.

Here's the one of the last comments I wrote as a regular Reddit user, on the eve of the blackout (almost a year ago to the day), under a post titled "Will your participation in Reddit change":

My comment

I will keep searching Google for Reddit help threads, but as a cultural and news aggregator I think this is the end for me. Maybe I will check it every so often. On desktop. On the old site. Until they sunset that too.
I wouldn’t be against using the first party app if it wasn’t so awful to use.
It’s a massive shame that we’ve all collectively agreed that Reddit is the de facto way to create open communities online. There were so many forums that could fill the void left by Reddit for things like tech and art and they’ve all shut down in the past decade.
I try not to be too negative about the evolution and constant growth of the userbase of the site and of the internet as a whole, but I’ve really felt like things are moving in a direction I can’t even be cautiously optimistic about lately.
I think of all the mod tools that will be defunct. The commonly cited example is that people who comment excessively on adult subs are automatically barred from commenting on the teenagers subreddit. Sure the admins can whip up functionality to do this, but this site was built on custom tools and custom CSS and all that. I think the API was one among the many secret sauces that give Reddit this staying power. These sites and forums I talked about - I used to hop from one to the next year after year. Until I found Reddit a decade ago.
I like that I choose my subs and that I don’t get algorithmically ordered sludge designed to game the algorithm on my homepage. Yes the sensibilities of the lowest common denominator redditors are gamed by people posting, but that’s (in my opinion) acceptable.
Frankly if they kept the old Reddit Gold pricing (4 bucks per month/30 annual) and gated unrestricted API access behind it I would have been inclined to finally give Reddit money. I use it a lot, I don’t mind paying now that I can afford it. But something about how it’s all going down really doesn’t fill me with confidence.
I’ve been trying to write a post about this for a while now, but I haven’t felt like it was relevant. Thanks for asking here

Reading through this is a bit funny, in retrospect, seeing how Reddit-centric my understanding of the internet had become at the time. I am happy to report that I have checked the home page maybe a half dozen times since the blackout, instead of once or twice a week like I expected. I suppose the disgusting state of the heavily astroturfed worldnews sub was a big part of it as well: for me Reddit was the one big online platform where the average visible user didn't seem to be very misinformed about Palestine (at least not by default), and it was frankly very sad to see where it got in the past few months.

I do miss Reddit, I haven't been able to replace it outright. I'm from Lebanon, and Lebanese Twitter is (if you can imagine it) even more of a toxic cesspool than regular Twitter. I'm not on Facebook (also cesspool here), I'm not on Instagram - my point is I don't get anything about my country on ostensibly user-curated social media. /r/Lebanon was very far from perfect, but it was nice to get a trickle of local news with users who were more in line with my own politics. The local news outlets focus on a lot of irrelevant crap, the sub's news feed was a bit more interesting.

One thing I loved about that subreddit was that users with more mainstream views in my country (eg. transphobia-as-default) were allowed to spout their bullshit in the subreddit with little mod pushback (if it's just JAQing off etc, not harrassing people obviously). Then the regulars would dogpile on that user's post - very refreshing! And very validating I would imagine for anyone who is used to hearing this shit everyday.

I was applying to be a mod to help keep the sub moving, at one point, but hey. Maybe that headache was never worth it. Still, I felt like I lost one of my online homes.

More generally, I have enjoyed my first year on Lemmy, although the experience has been lacking in many ways. For one, while Reddit has a reputation as a meme cemetery, the memes here are generally a bit moldier. But that's okay. The fact that there's fewer posts I think isn't necessarily a bad thing either, I think we all preferred Reddit's slightly slower homepage in 2013 than the one we left in 2023, that would regurgitate more and more from the bottom of the barrel if you were willing to keep scrolling.

I've toyed with opening a Lebanon community here on dbzer0, having opened one on FMHY that nobody used. But it wouldn't be the same, and I wouldn't know how to populate it. I posted maybe 2 non-question posts on Reddit in my decade+ of being a regular user, but I wrote tons of comments. It also helped keep my English sharper, I think.

I've reactivated my old Instagram account and it's pretty ass out there. The ad/post ratio is just egregious, and they'll just serve you random posts from random pages. I want to see my friends goddamn it, isn't this what your platform is supposed to be for? For those of you who don't know, the app will also send you a notification once or twice a day suggesting you look at "today's top reels". I have never watched a reel of my own will, fuck off.

Point being, the main platforms people use online haven't been up my alley. I can only hope the zoomer dumbphone pushback keeps expanding, and that social media starts being seen as something for older generations. Wishful thinking?

This is just a post about enshittification, everyone's favorite word, but every time I think about it for more than 2 minutes I can't help but miss a simpler internet. Some part of me was hoping it would kickstart me "growing out" of spending this much time online per day (not everyone spends a ton of time online), but it hasn't.

Also every time I ask something longer than 20 words on Discord some middle schooler will reply "yap", even in the channels designated for questions. Discord has had its uses (yes I know there's privacy concerns), but it's hardly a replacement for Reddit, or forums. Both of which are/were searchable. But enough yapping from me.

Thoughts? How has the exodus been for you? Is this how Digg users felt?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Werid, I brought up the notion that I don't agree with transgenderism and was permabanned from Reddit admins. I didn't said hate or kill or die or insult them, just don't agree with it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I don't miss Reddit....

I just wish my topics and engagement were relocated to a neutral place where you can have an opinion and not be banned by some coward with an empty title....I want Reddit to crash like MySpace.... over moderation is off-putting on any platform...... really aggravating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I used to go to Lebanon all the time. Now that I’m back in America, it’s hard to get back. I loved it there despite the political and economic realities.

Would happily settle there if it ever became stable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

just took a look at reddit, one of the top posts is some open racist shit, full of openly racist comments under post of a german police officer having died of stabbing by an extereme-islamist, good riddance of that shithole

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For the first half of my transition over to Lemmy, I found myself talking and commenting more, even if I got into fights with Tankies a decent bit. I thought that once I blocked enough tankies and their instances my experience would get a bit better, and for a while it did, but then as time has gone on, I have begun to see that federation kind of makes good moderation extremely hard and rare, and if I try to use general feeds instead of curated ones, the amount of rage bait articles making it to the top has steadily started to increase, and this is finally pushing me away from Lemmy, and unfortunately back to Reddit since someone suggested Dig at one point, and good god its UI looks like I am constantly being fed ad after ad. I may eventually transition back to Gaia Online since I'm not super happy about going back to Reddit after all the shit Reddit has pulled, but I'm missing having a source of random information gain, that isnt hardcore tailored to rage bait.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

lemmy still is full of weirdos who get pissed off on one comment you made on one instance and community... and will follow you around to others to harass you until you block them. it's miserable and weird.

at least they can't get you banned site-wide like they can with reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

That's crazy, sad to hear

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

My experience on lemmy has been very similar to my experience working in a startup. I'm constantly concerned that I've picked a sinking ship, and concerned that the people I'm on it with are not the people I'd want to sink with. But there's excitement around being a part of something that's still playing out, and being able to influence the long term trajectory.

I don't think the small community is a detractor, though. I've felt for a long time that large social media circles quickly fill with the worst kind of content, and normalizes the worst kind of behavior.

Anyway, I think the thing that makes this worthwhile is the decentralization and the knowledge that it's (for now) safe from corporate capture. I'm happy to be contributing to an alternative to for-profit social media, and that makes all the worst parts of it worth enduring

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

I'm off Twitter and on Mastodon since November 2022. Mastodon is such a chill place once you've found people to follow and made sure the trolls are blocked. Staying off Reddit has been harder, but it's also a shadow of its former self. Lemmy isn't quite what Reddit used to be, but neither is Reddit these days. Too much noise, not enough signal

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I still get on reddit, but not often because red reader is basic, and the reddit app is trash

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

for me Reddit was the one big online platform where the average visible user didn’t seem to be very misinformed about Palestine (at least not by default), and it was frankly very sad to see where it got in the past few months.

This was a really big one for me, it was the clearest indicator that something had fundamentally changed on that site.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I miss some Reddit communities, to be honest. There are no communities here for most of my hobbies and that brings down my enjoyment of the platform. Most things that spark joy in my life are not here.

Another thing that has been bumming me out is that people are way more aggressive now. Lemmy was a very friendly and welcoming environment, even in the most toxic topics you could think of. Lately I find a lot of elitist comments where anyone that doesn't have the same opinion or needs is objectively an idiot.

On the positive side, I switched to Linux because of Lemmy! And I'm (still) learning Rust!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

There are no communities here for most of my hobbies and that brings down my enjoyment of the platform. Most things that spark joy in my life are not here.

Which kind of hobbies do you have? There might be other people interested in them too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Make sure you dye your hair a fun color when you get to a comfy point with Rust, that way people know you're a serious Rust dev (/s).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I have been trying to cut down my social media use. Leaving reddit was a big part of that. What actually happened was I spend time here and on YouTube, and occasionally I load up old reddit!

I'm trying guys, but it's hard.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

This is a minor point but on Instagram if you press the logo in the top left you can pick Following and it shows you a chronological timeline of only those accounts you actually follow. Instead of the usual shitshow set of reels.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

I've been preferring it actually! There's a sense of calm I get from scrolling through my frontpage and being out of posts at some point, usually like 20mins. I used to spend hours and hours on Reddit, just because it was so easy to keep scrolling infinitely.

At first I thought I should subscribe to more communities to have more content but it's actually kinda nice to be limited.

I also found a great female weightlifting guide over on hexbear, so I've been building muscle since November. Someone must really care to post guides here, so my confidence in it has been a lot better from the start.

And I recently took the plunge and opened a community for posts about Royal Pythons. I'm still the only poster, but it will catch on eventually, and I'll cultivate it to be better than r/ballpythons from the start. Some of the posts on that subreddit are simply scary haha

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Like others, being on Lemmy dragged me away from the constant stream of endless gratification. I still check it a few times a day, at most, but much less than Reddit.

What Reddit still has over Lemmy is a huge database of answers. While many people have left Reddit or moved on, their comments stayed, and that includes many searchable and genuine answers.

It also has more communities. Game devs still use Reddit to host a lite web page (subreddit) for example. While the fediverse has many communities, alot of them are duplicates. Every instance has their own Memes community for example, which pollutes the feed sometimes.

In the last year, I've made less than 5 posts on Reddit, mostly asking questions. I don't browse it, I just end up on it from search results.

I wish the fediverse agreed on unique communities. It's cool that I can communicate with several different websites, but imagine if there was 5 reddit.com's and they all made their own memes subreddits. Either you have to subscribe to all of them and get duplicate memes, or you sub to one and miss out of 4x more.

Because those 5 reddits are all divided, so is the potential user base. I'm not saying we should go back to a single website, but rather that each website in the fediverse hosts one major community.

Alternatively, have an instance that merges all the other instances' communities so that all the meme communities appear as one, and all duplicates are filtered out.

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