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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Donald Trump versus Elon Musk

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Can anyone give a legit reason as to why EVs are bad? Because all I've seen is "they don't make cool BROOM BROOM noise" and "they're bad for the environment" which is only true because of oil and gas companies bribing governments to restrict green energy infrastructure

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

theres only two temporary reasons. 1. the environmental reason is less the gas vs battery situation, but more the EVs are heavy, and the biggest pollutant are car tires. this tied with US consumer obsession of SUV sized vehicles dont help.

the other is not all places have an equivalent "gas tax" which is used for road maintainance usually for EVs since, well they dont use gas.

both fixable problems but can be considered a problem

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Isn't it also that sourcing the raw materials for the batteries results in a lot of pollution, and the charging is often provided by coal burning plants?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Sure it is, but oil drilling also require electricity provided by same plants and isn't exactly clean either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

ofc its one, but that can be said about a lot of resources. the latter was already mentioned which is why i didnt mention it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Canada thanks you for the cheap electric cars resulting from the surplus 👍

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unless you live in Alberta.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

toooooo bad we don't have laws to protect from this sort of thing...i wish this was /s :(

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Donald Trump says random bullshit he cannot deliver on, that will appeal to his most rabid supporters.

The Biden Tariffs have way more impact on total EVs sales than reducing the EV credit to $0. The tariff blocks $6k EVs from enter the US, the credits just knocks $7.5k off a $50k car.

Like I get that us here in the United States are wary of Chinese things, but let's all be honest, American car companies aren't going to produce a sub $20k EV anytime soon. LiFePO₄ batteries have been a thing for some time now, the excuse the batteries are the main cost of the car is faux argument that US makers just aren't ready to stop subsidizing their other vehicle platforms with EV sales.

Trump's arguments won't do shit no matter which side of the aisle you sit. The thing killing wide adoption in the US of EVs is the US EV makers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

US makers just aren't ready to stop subsidizing their other vehicle platforms with EV sales

US carmakers aren't subsidizing their other vehicle sales with EV sales. They're literally losing money on every EV sale. If anything it's the polar opposite. Tesla is the only company thus far that has figured out how to build a profitable EV.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60621256/ford-ev-revenue-losses-q1-2024/ https://fortune.com/2024/04/24/gm-earnings-beat-gas-ev-electric-trucks-profitable/

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ok. Why?

What's this stupid crusade against electric vehicles really about?

Don't like them, don't buy them, free market, right?

I get that little D. Trump wants donations from the fossil fuel industry and ice car manufacturers for his campaign, but why is it that all the stubborn conservatives are all over Facebook hell-bent on shitting on every post about EVs when nobody is forcing them to drive them? What's so scary about it? Progression? It's going to happen and they're going to like it.

The funny thing is that when they eventually need to buy a car, they'll buy an EV anyway, because that makes sense when they sober up and look at what is best for themselves financially. It's soo fucking stupid...

I have this aquintance who is into politics on the right wing who's posting this shit all the time. However, both he and his wife drive electric cars. It's like they just want to be hypocritical stooges hoping to outsmart everyone else, just using any excuse to shit all over the place thinking their friends will admire them or think it's funny or something. But it's actually sad. Who hurt them?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

He's begged the oil industry to come up with a $1b donation for his "campaign", this is the reach around if they make it happen.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How very "free market" of him.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This is just naked corruption, making promises to the oil execs he's been trying to curry favor with, right? Because apart from that - the thing that might put more money in Trump's pocket - I can't fathom what the point would be.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

To "own da libz."

He's pandering to the section of his base who all drive lifted coal rollin' diesel trucks who all know that "everyone knows" electric vehicle owners are all avocado toast eating homosexuals who vote Democrat.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

He can only further with those who already believe in him.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

He's like a new Kaney West

[–] [email protected] 240 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It is hard to believe this moron has a chance of being president again. We are a doomed country.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know.

I'm perplexed honestly.

I live in italy and here too government took a steep turn to the right since last elections.

It is like the most roborantly bamboozling idiocy someone from a stage can scream the more he gets applauded as the folks' hero for speaking their unsung voices.

On the other hand if you try to build an organic and critical dialogue you only get yawned away as utterly boring.

I don't think it is the ones screaming from their stages being the morons, well not the most moron at least, but instead they are those who give their precious votes, hard conquered from their ancestors who gift them with a life in a democracy, to these unambiguously unmistakable frauds, and who hide in the self-obliviousness of the guilty conscience for the vote they have cast their incapability of admitting their own deep existential self-inadequacy.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

It was hard to believe the last time…

[–] [email protected] 112 points 11 months ago (14 children)

Don’t let the media and talking heads convince you of anything.

There are a great majority of people who want nothing to do with Trump, his Russian bootlicking or any of his other xenophobic hate.

Just vote.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (3 children)

But the system is rigged so that a relatively small minority of morons can fuck shit up for everybody else. So yeah, guys, vote like your life depends on it because it literally does.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Oh can’t wait to see Elon’s response to that. 🍿

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

This will eat 80% of Tesla profits, so he will probably ask Tesla to hurry up with the $56 billion he think he is owed.
Tesla stock would plummet even faster than they have recently.

Then he will try to convince Trump to use SpaceX for his Space Force, and have Trump implanted with a chip from Neuralink so he can remote control him. 😋 And then blame any problems on the Jews.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I can't wait for Trump to be the first RC Human.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Shit dude you can see the fucking strings as it is

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

That tracks.

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 11 months ago

Elon will donate a few mil to his campaign, and Tesla will end up being the only company allowed to sell them.

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