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Microsoft's Windows Recall feature is attracting controversy before even venturing out of preview.

Microsoft said in its FAQs that its snapshotting feature will vacuum up sensitive information: "Recall does not perform content moderation. It will not hide information such as passwords or financial account numbers. That data may be in snapshots stored on your device, especially when sites do not follow standard internet protocols like cloaking password entry."

Mozilla's Chief Product Officer Steve Teixeira told The Register: "Mozilla is concerned about Windows Recall. From a browser perspective, some data should be saved, and some shouldn't.

Jake Moore, Global Cybersecurity Advisor at ESET, noted that while the feature is not on by default, its use "opens up another avenue for criminals to attack."

Moore warned that "users should be mindful of allowing any content to be analysed by AI algorithms for a better experience."

Cybersecurity expert Kevin Beaumont was scathing in his assessment of the technology, writing: "In essence, a keylogger is being baked into Windows as a feature."

AI expert Gary Marcus was blunter: "F^ck that. I don't want my computer to spy on everything I ever do."

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I think the problem with big companies like Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, Bethesda, etc is that once all the smart & creative people have gone, all you have left are the "line must always go up" business idiots, who have no idea what their company does or how to fix it.

CoPilot is exactly the kind of End-stage, "let's screw our customers to death" idea the CEOs come up with right before their company implodes.

The reason I know that's true is because when this stupid idea for CoPilot came up, there were no smart people who immediately said, "do you have any idea what a terrible f*cking plan this is?"

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

This is going to be terrible for work place security.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But the C-suite folks think it's a great new way to spy in their employees, so I'm guessing it's here to stay.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I bet their lawyers might not think it's a great idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Why? Their company, their computers.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

What's the point of this feature ? If it were not evil, what problem would it solve ? How often do you go to your PC and think "what was that thing I saw but never thought to create a bookmark or save the link/image".

Even if people use it, it would be for something they missed because they thought it was unimportant or didn't interest them, which is a very rare use case.

And still it is a highlight feature !

I wonder if it is lack of ideas or lack of commitment to create a good idea , given a technology, when these kinds of useless features are launched.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

I can't think of a single reason why I would need detailed snapshots of everything I did with my own computer.

But I can think of plenty of reasons why corporations, advertisers and governments would want that.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago (4 children)

As much as I want "Jarvis" OS system, I really don't want the version made by Microsoft, Google, or, Apple.

I want to be able to talk with my AI PC, but I want secure AI that's just for me and won't steal all my data for any Corporations to browse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think the would becomes a lonely place if everyone started only talking with their AI friend. And you know that's what would happen. Humans would isolate from each other ever more.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

if everyone started only talking with their AI friend.

This would be super great for the ruling class behind the AI curtain. Your AI pal would compliment and flatter you while guiding you down the corporate cattle chute.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

To a way you can already do AI audio chat with sillytavern or tavernAI and oobabooga llm in the backend. Its a little setup required but you can find online tutorials. For example from aitrepreneur on YT. It's not perfect yet, but we'll get there. It's already fun to use, I just wish I had a better PC to run with a bigger and newer language model. Now using a recall function, that's too new, but I'd not surprised if we get that in a few months.

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[–] [email protected] 131 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yup, I'm setting up a dual boot when my thumb-drive arrives.

Actually really excited to get back to computing the way it was in 2010. :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Actually really enjoying OpenSUSE Tumbleweed... first time on a rolling release distro and so far no major complaints.

Probably would have started with Arch (btw) but I felt a little daunted by the install process. In contrast with my ~2010 attempt, all my data is on a separate drive with automatic backups to NAS — so when I upgrade to an NVMe drive I'm going to give it a whirl.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So currently only Edge users can filter what gets picked up by Recall by site, and Chromium users get private browsing mode blocked out of the box? In the article, the Mozilla rep they interviewed says that Microsoft didn't reach out to them or hasn't made available any documentation on how to get non chromium browsers to pick what gets included in Recall.

Even if this is something thats off by default and is encrypted if you do turn it on, boy would I never want to turn it on.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

Me either, and at least in my experience with Windows these things have a way of 'accidentally' turning themselves on after a random update or something

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The user can then scroll through the archive of snapshots to find what were doing some time back, or query an AI system to recall past screenshots by text.

The Windows 11 feature is supposed to eventually expand to allow users to pull up anything that happened recently on their Copilot+ PC and interact with or use it again, as the system logs all app activity, communications, and so on, as well as by-the-second screenshots, to local storage for search and retrieval.

The IT giant also says that for the relatively small number of users running its Edge browser – with a market share of just under 13 percent, according to Statcounter – InPrivate sessions won't be snapped, nor will DRM content.

Other Chromium-based browsers can filter out private browsing activity but lose the ability to block sensitive websites (such as financial sites) from Recall.

Microsoft did not engage our cooperation on Recall, but we would have loved for that to be the case, which would have enabled us to partner on giving users true agency over their privacy, regardless of the browser they choose."

Industry must consider data protection from the outset and rigorously assess and mitigate risks to people's rights and freedoms before bringing products to market.


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