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I don't know if others are experiencing a similar situation. My all feed is very sparse with engagement. If I sort top six hours or by top 12 most posts have between 5-10 comments. I feel like there was more in the past? Is engagement dropping off? I'm on lemmy.world as my instance.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

I'm fairly new. Finding it hard to get truly into the experience given some of the more extreme takes that Lemmy seems to allow (or at least some federated servers)

Seems like Lemmee is sadly becoming a fairly isolated echo chamber for certain opinions only.

edit: An example of "Extreme takes". Not linking the post. it's been upvoted 17 times, and online for 18 hours unmoderated: in the post, the user encourages execution. Murder and destruction of property:

so, as an actual radical:

yeah pretty spot on with healthcare. this is basic ‘having a society’ shit.

I don’t want a job that pays so much as an actual society I can contribute to and nurture and be a fucking part of that will take care of me some noticeable fraction of how I take care of it. I’d rather not have money involved, if its all the same to you.

I do actually want a free place to live. I’ll help build it or whatever, but I’m fucking done compromising with landlord parasites; watched too many of their victims die.

I do not want corporations to be unprofitable; I want them dismantled and their boards executed. worker co-ops are cool. individual enterprise is cool. no more exploitation, no more not having a voice.

I think the entire concept we have of ‘democracy’ is absolutely cucked. I could write some essays on what real democracy looks like, but the short version is: fuck your bourgoise elections.

kill the billionaires; tjwyre literal monsters who drink children’s blood steal and transfuse the blood of the young to grasp vainly at eternal youth while burning our futures. no problem with your party yacht if its green and you built it with your friends, but I think we need a reset on ‘wealth’.

Reading shit like that a LOT on this site is a massive turn off to the average user, and why I have a hard time truly diving in and giving a shit about it.

Edited once more: Bolded the problem points I have with above. My issue is not the message itself, but the words and what this user encourages. Don't gaslight that the language used in that post was beyond reasonable and encourages violence

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well then let’s increase our engagement! Make some dank memes and post them, create more text content, ask more questions. Just no more weird anime shit, jesus christ

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I cant really say, I've been hanging out here more though recently since reddit keeps getting more braindead even in my subscribed list and the mobile site is super glitchy

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There have been a lot of political articles and not much besides.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

A lot of the same opinion based rage baiting articles. same as we've seen spammed on Reddit communities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And a lot of tyrannical mods who ban for dissenting opinions

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

yep - especially in the news/worldnews, and all *.ml communities

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'd agree. Also Lemmy is too much just dropping news articles and discussing world politics for my taste. Maybe being just another comment feed underneath a news article isn't that engaging and interesting. I'd like to see more about hobbies and meaningful, sustainable talk about specific topics.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The niche communities are missing. It's a bit of a wasteland. What is holding people from migrating over I wonder?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Setup was a pain in the ass for me, but I was determined not to return to reddit after the API changes. I'm tech-savvy enough to build a PC, format/partition disks, and provide tech support for my extremely confused mother, but Mastadon was so off-putting that I jumped ship during setup, and Lemmy had a learning curve that the average person may not be willing to figure out.

Even my brother who is familiar with using Tor and such couldn't quite figure out Lemmy. He wound up joining (what I assume was) one of the shitty instances right after the first large migration, and it must have been defederated for one reason or other because he denounced the rampant censorship and went back to reddit. If he were right wing or a Nazi I could probably connect the dots there, but my brother is even further left than I am. He actually got me into politics while he was campaigning for Bernie Sanders. So I'm not exactly sure what soured his experience more-so than the initial setup (which he also struggled to wrap his head around).

I suspect he didn't understand why his instance was defederated, and just saw the people around him complaining that it had happened. Kind of a bummer because he introduced me to Sync and would fit in really well here, but something went awry.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Lemmy has way, way too much dross. Any user that pops in to check it out finds a billion foreign language posts, a billion weirdo anime shitposts and a billion Linux posts. It's a massive turnoff. I spent 6 months blocking communities that had zero interest to me and I'm left with news and Star Trek posts. I don't even like Star Trek but it's the only OC in this place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be interesting to compare Lemmy to the community on Tildes. What do you think of Tildes?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it's a combination of several factors. First of all there is the network effect. A social media platform gets interesting once there are enough people and we're just about 50.000 active users. Which isn't much compared to other forums, discord servers and fanbases of single individuals (streamers, ...)

Next there needs to be some motivation to join or some attention. We had that for a moment when the Reddit API thing happened. But I don't see that as of now. We need interesting content. And a nice and welcoming community. Or something that motivates people to come here.

And there is the technical issues. We've had lots of them. Federation broke for some time. There are still some bugs and user interface issues. Moderation tools still are an issue. Onboarding (choosing an instance, finding a good app) is a bit complicated. And I don't see big leaps in software development, things that are visible/obvious to the user.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly how I feel. I’ve unsubscribed to the politics ones but kept at least one or two news ones because I’d like to see a little bit of news, but it seems like that’s too big a chunk of what I get. I wonder if the experience would be different on a different instance but if I’m subscribed to communities across different instances I’m not sure how it would differ

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's the same as long as you watch your subscribed communities. Lemmy is federated and that means generally you have the same access to content regardless of which unstance you chose. I mean we also have individual moderation and "local" and "all" feeds. But I don't use them. It's just too random and uninteresting to scroll through everything.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My comments seem like they're getting more votes/replies than usual. That could just be because of better stability though, also coincidental/context?

Though I posted 2 threads (OC, simple 3D models with vertex colors. banan) 2 weeks ago that didn't do much (and they both had federation issues in different places, one went to lemmy.world and not other places and the other thread did the opposite) in Kbin communities that don't have any new activity still. I thought about posting to artshare (on LW) to see if that'd be better but I also haven't done anything new with it recently.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When it warms up I tend to spend less time on my devices. This is the case where I live and will be for the next 3-4 months.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably a good suggestion it's time to go out and touch some grass. 🥲

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Damn, missed my toxic comment opportunity 🙂‍↔️

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Over the past two months, I've noticed a drop in engagement on Lemmy. Communities that used to have a decent amount of new content posted over a week, are now lacking or nonexistent. I've noticed this to be highly true with all communities with less than 3k subscribers. I don't recall the name of the theory, but it was something like 'community content theory.' It goes something like this:

'Around 1% of people in an online community will share content and/or try to provide original content. To have this number grow, you have to provide a way for the content posters to continue to post.'

https://www.psychreg.org/psychology-content-creating-why-we-share-what-we-share/

  • Self-expression and presenting one's identity/ideal self
  • Seeking social validation through likes, comments, shares
  • Connecting with communities of shared interests
  • Educating others and providing helpful resources
  • The "helper's high" of gratification from assisting people

In my experience, the third one rings true most often with people.

That being said, we should take a look at the kind of communities that are not getting much engagement.

https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active

Here we can see the stats for all of the communities across hundreds of instances. (Filters can be applied.)

What's surprising to me, is the ratio of subs to active users there are. After a two minute look, I believe I see that there are a few outliers where they have nearly all of the subs active and fewer that have more actives to subs. Most of what I'm seeing is around 1/3 ratio of subs to active users per week, of the best performers. Definitely not the norm.


I have a few theories as to why this is, but would love to hear from others.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I enjoyed your analysis! I think you meant

Most of what I’m seeing is around ~~1/3~~ [3:1] ratio of subs to active users per week, of the best performers

Subs being subscribers, and these data possibly providing evidence of there being less engagement of late, per OP's point

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've noticed that some instances, including lemmy.world, are getting more aggressive with blocking other instances (also due to assumed "spam"). At the same time, the /all/ feed is only populated by the communities that other users of your instance are subscribing to. I'd look in some newcommunities communities to subscribe to more interesting communities so that they pop up in your /all/ feed. Another reason is probably also that many people are moving away from lemmy.world to smaller instances.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is how I see things as well. I moved away from lemmy.world because one of their updates completely fucked my account, and since then I've noticed more people doing the same, or complaining about issues with federation.

Anyone who expects Lemmy to become the new reddit is both setting themselves up for disappointment and missing out on the enjoyment of a smaller community imo. People can use reddit/facebook/twitter for doom scrolling if that's their thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am enjoying the slower pace of posts, and higher level of quality engagement. I also enjoy zero ads, far less toxic behavior and general niceness on Lemmy compared to Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When people say they want Lemmy to become the new reddit, they are not talking about the reddit of today, more like the one from <2015.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I miss the crazy shit that there used to be on reddit. Not that I liked or agreed with all the subs at the time but it really did feel at the time that there was a sub for everything. Now reddit feels stale and sanitized which makes me feel bored when scrolling through or searching for random subs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Reddit just feels like Facebook these days. Niche subs are not affected as much, but the vast majority is just low quality trash, gossip, selfies and unhinged political discussion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Some people probably mean that, while others want a literal transplant or reddit without spez pulling the strings. Part of the challenge of new communities is figuring out what you are, and I think Lemmy is still deep in that stage.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure if I've seen a drop off lately. And I wanted to say hi :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Agreed. It's been getting quieter

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